I think this outfit must be putting on the worst ebay auctions I've
ever seen. They make ali babin look like a paragon of organization
and clarity:
To add insult to injury you have to be on a 'pre-approved'
bidders list. Searching thru their selection of hardinge
stuff for sale, the photos don't line up with the descriptions,
the numbers in the pictures don't line up with the numbers
in the auctions, and if anyone can indentifiy the actual
item for sale in the jumble on the tables, they're better
than me.
Seeing how this is all set up, I would guess the chances
of actually buying and receiving the correct part is probably
less than three percent.
Jim
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Its an advertisement for a real time auction, you register
to use the online bidding proccess and bid just like you
are at a live auction at the date and time the auction
is scheduled. Also 13.5% will be added to the winning
bid and the winner must pick up thier winnings.
Not your typical ebay auction, just an addy.
Best Regards
Tom.
Did you guys read the fine print?
ALL BIDDING ON THIS ITEM TAKES PLACE ON EBAY.BIDSPOTTER.COM! This item
will be offered live (in real-time) on Business & Industrial Live
Online Auctions in conjunction with Schneider Industries on September
4th 2003 @ 9:00 AM USCT! You may also place absentee bids prior to
live auction day (bids are placed at the Business & Industrial Live
Online Auctions Site and not at ebay.com!).
BidSpotter.com and eBay Live Auctions have teamed up to offer the most
stable and versatile real-time bidding software available in
combination with the most extensive network of auctioneers/dealers and
bidders in existence today!
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Bidding on this item does not take place on eBay.com! All bidding is
performed at ebay.bidspotter.com and requires separate registration
than your eBay registration.
BidSpotter Inc. auction house partners offer the goods or services in
this listing. By clicking on a link logo or other item within this
listing please note that you will be transported to the BidSpotter
Inc. web site where you may make an offer to purchase the goods or
services. eBay does not control the information provided by BidSpotter
Inc. auction house partners and is not involved in the transaction
between you BidSpotter Inc. or its auction house partners.
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This is not an EBAY auction, but only advertising for another online
auction.
Gunner
"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle
behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto
Look at the bid page, you also have to pay a buyers premium on top of
your bid price.......just like most realtime auctions do.
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Regards
Roy aka Chipmaker // Foxeye
Opinions are strictly those of my wife....I have had no input whatsoever.
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Sure, that's 'advertising.' But I still maintain
that if they can't even get the *advertising*
right (ie, match the goods and the pictures and
their own internal number designations) then
they simply haven't a clue and the buyers are
taking pure and simple potluck - there's
not much chance they will even get the correct
item they bid on, much less in any kind of
specific condition.
Are they selling HLVHs for a dollar? Yep, and
those nigerian guys really *do* want to give you
$$$$$.
Jim
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What are you talking about?
There is no buyers premium on ebay.
There are fees to the seller, but to the buyer, the price you pay is the
price the auction ended at (plus postage/packing/extortion)
What are YOU talking about? Might be helpful to your case if you'd go
look for yourself. This is something new. It's NOT a normal ebay auction
and you cannot bid in the normal ebay fashion.
Ebay doesn't allow advertising for sales outside of the auction and I
was about to report this guy last night when I read it's being done in
conjunction with ebay. I rather suspect it's an attempt by ebay to tap
directly into the industrial auction market, ala Dovebid.
Jon
I tried to submit a bid and it told me I was not on the pre-approved
list.
And I read the fine print. If I understand it right, if you get
yourself approved you can bid now and via eBay and that bid will be
submitted for you as a proxy bid at the time of auction. I suppose
what they will do is open the bidding, and say "We had a bunch of
proxy bids, those have been resolved and we have a high proxy bid for
$xxx, anyone else want to bid now?". Of course the proxy bidder has
no chance to offer any more bids and in reality has done little more
than to get bidding going at a higher number.
Of course the proxy bidder also has no real idea of how good or bad
the stuff he has bid on is because of the lack of photos or
descriptions (except in the broadest sense). So if he wins it will be
because he overbid for junk.
Allentown is about 12-13 hours away for me, if I was really interested
I would go down there.
The concept is idiotic. It would take hours to go through all the
listings and then you would only have the vaguest idea of what you are
bidding for.
What you got here is rampant greed trying to find another opening to
make more money. The 13 percent buyer's premium is going to either by
taken by eBay or split with the "real" auction. Both of the auctions
are in a win-win situation if much online bidding takes place. I
personally hop the concept falls on it ass and is never seen again.
It is stupid!
Exactly my point. Even Ali Babin has his stocking and
inventory control in better shape than this outfit!
Jim
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I've complained about this for weeks, and tried to get eBay to stop this.
EBay rules require that you actually sell a specific item on eBay, not just
advertise for sale elsewhere. I have an automatic search engine for all
kinds of stuff I am interested in, and I waste time looking at this kind of
nonsense. Many of this type of listing seem to match my searches.
I see no evidence that this is really "in conjunction with eBay". As far
as I can tell, it is a non-eBay auction site that is a parasite on eBay.
If I am wrong, please correct me. There is no bidding going on here. There
are no approved bidders. There is no "connection to eBay". It is just
spamming on eBay.
I would ask anyone with a moment to report these items for a listing
violation like I have.
There is no evidence this is actually in "conjunction with" eBay, just
claims to that effect. The domain names and their owners linked are
different places and different people than eBay. Either this "conjunction
with" is a phony claim, or eBay is putting up a really clumsy and self-
defeating effort that is going to dilute their brand.
Really? I didn't think I saw a mechanism there for real time bidding.
It raises a lot of questions.
Are they going to have long pauses to let the online bidders react?
How are the online bids communicated to the live bidders?
How with the live bids get back to the online bidders?
Will the live bidders wait patiently for the online bidders?
Is my 26.4 Kbps dial-up connection gonna limit the info flow?
How long will this add to the sale of the average item?
Will the auctioneer keep making noises with his mouth while all this
goes on? Will his voice hold out?
I'm talking as a potential online-bidding buyer. There is simply no
way to get a good look at the stuff and see what you are bidding for.
I think the driving force on the concept is to get another level of
bidding involved. Like to stimulate bidding wars between the live
bidders and the online bidders.
I made a snap judgement, I've been wrong before.
I don't believe you use ebay at all, rather the bidding
takes place on Bidspotter.
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It wasn't noticeable at the auction I was at (Fayscott in
Dexter, ME). Typically the online bids would be entered
when there was a lull in the live bidding. I suppose the
auctioneer may have been allowing a little extra time
before declaring a lot sold to allow the online bidders to
react, but it certainly wasn't excessive.
The auctioneer would announce them. IIRC, he was wearing an
earpiece, so I assume there was someone in the background
relaying the bids to him.
I've never tried Bidspotter, but I assume it's similar to
Dove's system where you the audio is streamed over the net.
Just for yuks I listened in on one of Dove's Enron auctions
several months ago.
I get pretty annoyed with pokey auctioneers trying to milk
every buck. The Fayscott auction went as quickly as most,
and faster than many.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's a handicap.
Agree 100%, though there may be cases where it makes sense.
For example, you can make it to the inspection before the
auction, but can't make the day of the auction. You could
tune in in time to bid on one item that you've inspected
and be done.
That's what it's all about--getting top dollar for the
seller and the auctioneer. I suspect it will be nearly
impossible to tell whether it really is effective or not.
I've been going to machinery auctions for almost 30 years,
and if there's any way to predict how the prices will run
at a given sale, I haven't figured it out.
The whole concept does seem to be antithetical to that of
Ebay, where the feedback system is supposed to create some
confidence that what is for sale is accurately represented,
as opposed to a regular equipment auction where no
representations are made about the condition of the stuff
for sale.
One of the local auctioneers here in Maine will often say
at the beginning of a sale, "Everything here is broken, if
you buy something and it works when you get it home, you
screwed us."
Ned Simmons
Well if the Govenrment had any brains all government auctions would be on
Ebay.
They would have more people seeing their stuff and would get more money.
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