LEST WE FORGET

We remember! Only us old fossils remember the arnistice signed on the

11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month. Little did we know that war would get worse. Bugs

In the US it was called Armistice day but was renamed Veterans Day in 1954, apparently to defuse the move to have VE [May 7

1945] and VJ [August 14 1945] day also made federal holidays. The major US activity is now shopping at the great sales with goods at regualr prices but lots of hype.

The reason for the original title and esp. the original meaning seem to have been suppressed because of political correctness, i.e. not glorifying war, and reminding the people of what these "adventures" cost them in blood and treasure.

The "statesmen" of the world seem hellbent on creating/maintaining another global conflict thorugh their egotism, greed and cultural ignorance. George Orwell seems to have gotten it right when he observed in his book 1984, "war is peace." We all would do well to remember the reported last words of the Russian Foreign Minister at the start of WW1 just before he was shot by the bolsheviki -- "I only wanted a little war."

GmcD

through their apathy and appeasement of the islamic terrorists.

I do suppose we could learn a lot from the worlds socialist nations, like France, on the effect appeasing these animals has on preventing riots and civil unrest. Well, at least it got them to take *some* action. Maybe we should model our response to rioters after the French Socialists - you riot and we'll deport you, whether you're an immigrant or not.

Tillman If Hillary does manager to get elected to the White House in 2008, I wonder how long it will be before another President Clinton will be lying "I did not have sex with that woman".

And the purpose is to remember those who understood duty and understood why it was important to take action against evil. Apathy is the hand that opens the door for tyranny. (see France, WW2. see France, 2001-200?)

Tillman If Hillary does manager to get elected to the White House in 2008, I wonder how long it will be before another President Clinton will be lying: "I did not have sex with that woman".

"Pete" posted this last year at this time, and I'd like to repeat it:

Best regards, Spehro Pefhany

In the States it's called Veterans' Day

...Jim Thompson

"Jim Thompson" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com...

Armistice day or Remembrance day in the UK (this is where it comes from, with the First World War Armistice being signed on Nov 10th, but it took a while for the news to filter through, and the last deaths occured around

11pm the next day - in fact it was a Canadian at 10:58, who is normally ascribed as the last Commonwealth casualty of this War). The final bugle calls for 'cease fire', occured around 11am on the 11th November 1918. We also normally use 'Remembrance Sunday', for the Sunday afterwards, when services are held at the Cenotaph, 'in remembrance'.

Best Wishes

...and Canadians all over the land remember the day by turning on the outdoor Christmas lights that are permanently installed on every house.

It used to be Armistice Day here as well. I'm not sure when it was changed to Veterans Day.

...Jim Thompson

It's high time that this total bollox and hypocrisy of "Remembrance" was flushed down the pan.

Those who were killed set out with the intention of killing their fellow man and received their just deserts, no more, no less.

The concept of "dieing for one's country" is just so much bullshit.

Are the Niagara Falls any greater as the result of those who died for them? Exactly.

If those who got killed were doing something noble, then surely the actions of those who flew the jets into the World Trade Centre were even more noble and to be more admired? Did they not die for what they believed in? Exactly.

Brian Laws> Hey Guys and Gals,

Well, there are some younger cynics who wryly remember that it celebrated the armistice that was signed to end the war to end all wars, and that world peace would follow.

So honor the fallen, both living and dead, and let's all try to keep the fighting to a necessary minimum (of course we'll have to fight about what minimum is necessary -- we _are_ human).

Several restaurants around here (NH) serve free meals for veterans today. I'm going for the prime rib if I can talk my way out of work before 6:30 (I start at 7:30AM)

jw

The second much much less well known (obscure actually) reason to celebrate, is that its my birthday.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Like American beer...weak and bitter.

How long have you lived such a cold and miserable existance?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Well Bugs, at 67 is don't consider myslef to be an "old fossil", but I do remember, and today my flag, like that of most true blooded Americans, is flying high outside my home.

Beyond that, I just wrote a check for my quartely contribution to the DAV. Let's never forget that the disabled veterans gave everything short of their lives to our country We can help these guys a little, but for those that gave the ultimate sacrifice we can only mourn and remember their gift to us.

Harry C.

Asshole!

Bet you never served your country in any way, and reamain just a consuming asshole who reapts the rewards of living in the US withojut paying his dues!

Harry C.

Go for it Jim, you've earned that and much more! We Amiericans salute you!

Harry C.

Thanks Jim!!

Tillman I'll happily comply with any left-winger socialist scum who wants to take my weapons away from me. They can have my bullets first, delivered at high velocity.