Micrometer time!

My only micrometer.
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Was planning to buy one of their new calipers, but my 0.0 mm resolution Mitutoyo still works fine.
I need to know the dimensions of a rod, to stop guessing whether it's really 7.9 mm or actually 7.99 mm.
I would think such measuring devices jump to the next number when the zero threshold is reached (going up) or crossed (going down). Will see!
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On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:12:03 -0000 (UTC), John Doe

For just a few dollars (a small fraction of a stimulus check) more: https://amzn.to/3iswLnc 0.001 mm / 50 microinch resolution.
Best regards, Spehro Pefhany
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15:00:40 -0500 typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

    One advantage to a non-digital micrometer - you can see if the rod is almost 7.9mm or almost 8.0mm. (one of the reasons I like my dial calipers.)
    It is like clocks - a digital one will tell you what time it is, right now." you get to do the calculations to figure out if you still have time enough to do 'this'. With analog clocks, you can look and say "I have a quarter / half /third of an hour to do 'this'."
    Of course, it helps if you can read an analog clock.
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pyotr filipivich wrote:

That depends on resolution, not whether it's analog or digital.

Also depends on resolution, given limited space for its display.
With a digital display, only one dial is required, can't do that with analog.
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-0000 (UTC) typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

    I think the reason I go crank on analogue is that in another life I am dealing with the measurement of time and distance, before the adoption of positional notation and decimal fractions. Back when everything was Integer Math, fractions of a unit were expressed in ratios of whole numbers. And if you were Roman, in base 12 (1/12th was the 'unit' for most fractions. E.G. 'half' is 6/12th) Relatively 'simple' but some numbers didn't work out E.G.. twenty two to seven (22/7) is the ratio of circumference to diameter. But Pi is not a 'rational number. And I'm digressing badly.
    It also depends on if you need a specific size, or a "go-nogo" evaluation. And the precision required or needed. When I was turning drill cores (for oil rigs) spec was for 8" diameter with +.250 - 0.000 tolerance.So I set a non measuring caliper at 8 1/4 inches and when the band got to where this fitted "it's done".     Some of the other processes were not just on the order of +/- 001 but holding +/- .0004 over the entire 16 feet. "And that's why those guys got the big bucks" On manual machines, too. (powered by belts from a water wheel! "Why when I was a boy, we didn't have these fancy dial calipers, we had to use our fingers!" Blah, blah. Yes, factory was old.)
    Regardless of resolution, I can see if a measurement is closer to N or N+/-[unit of resolution]. Is that 7.90001 or 7.99991?     IMHO, It doesn't matter the resolution or the number of decimal places. I can interpolate +/- 1/2 the least significant digit. As the saying goes "two plus two equals five for large values of two and small values of five". I.E., 2.4 displays as Two, and 4.8 displays as Five.

    Yep. No sense putting a wrist watch on the wall - you can't see the 'clock' let alone read it. (Heck, without my glasses, I can't see the wall.)

    With a digital readout - you get to do the math. Be that inches, millimeters, hours, seconds, degrees (arc) or degrees (temperature) miles per hour, furlongs per fortnight, or parsecs in the old Republic.
(On a side grumble, I've been looking to replace a garden thermometer. Dial face, with two little arms which indicate high and low temps since the last time they were reset. No longer made, but you can now get a digital thermometer which you can press buttons until the min / max temps are shown. Of course what was formerly accomplished at a glance now requires an operator. And batteries. Which is another "ought" I have against digital mics etc: batteries. Maybe if I used them more often than once a year it would be different.)
    It isn't like I am totally opposed to modern tech. I do appreciate the digital temperature scanners at the club. I'd hate to have to get a temperature reading the 'old fashioned way' with a temperature sensing strip placed on my forehead. B-)
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 09:56:16 -0800, pyotr filipivich

See: Lee Valley - Item AB803, Min-Max Thermometer
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typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

    See also, shipping to the states. It is not worth (to me) the 30 bucks.     Yes, I know I'm whining. Part of being an old fart is asking why "digital" or "computerized" is deemed to be an improvement on what works? How precise do the measurements _need_ to be? Like I've said, I'm retired - most of frequently the answer the question "What time is it?" is "Tuesday, mid morning." Same applies to measurements. Some times I do need to know the size of 'this' to within a thou. Sometimes ... ten feet "plus or minus a quart." will suffice.     E.G., Do I really need to know that it is precisely 38.567 degrees Fahrenheit in that corner of the yard when what I want to know is whether it got below freezing?     Do I really need to know if this Ethernet cable is precisely 9 feet 11 and three quarters inches, if I just need to know "Will a ten foot cable reach from here to there?" (And yes there have been occasions when the cable is just a smidge too short, so something will have to be moved.)
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    [ ... ]

    For digital micrometers which I don't use regularly (It is too cold to work in the shop right now) I open the battery compartment and flip the cell upside down (so it does not feed the power to anything), and pop the cap back on. This keeps it handy with the micrometer, but also keeps it fresh. I also keep a spare cell in the box the micrometer is stored in.
    Most micrometers use the 357 and 44 sized cells (easy to remember -- both numbers are magnum calibers) and they are available in either alkaline or silver oxide variants. The battery life is much better in the silver oxide (I prefer SR-357 cells) -- and I believe they are also much less likely to leak and damage the micrometer.
    Yes -- I also have pure analog micrometers too. Old eyes tell me I need to wear glasses to use them.
BTW    I also have one Russian 0-25mm micrometer. It is beefier than     all the others which I have or have used. I think the shaft is     8mm (about 5/16" instead of the more common 1/4" shaft on the     others. I guess that I would not be too upset at seeing it used     as a C-clamp. :-)
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typed in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

    I kept a pair of cheaters in my tool book to go over the bifocals in order to read the mic ...

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"pyotr filipivich" wrote in message
I kept a pair of cheaters in my tool book to go over the bifocals in order to read the mic ...
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I keep bifocal safety glasses at each machine tool and my electronics work areas. https://www.zoro.com/mcr-safety-scratch-resistant-bifocal-safety-reading-glasses-20-bkh20/i/G0190723/
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On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 22:09:36 -0800, pyotr filipivich

I find I need REALLY GOOD light to read analog mics and verniers
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On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 07:54:27 -0800, pyotr filipivich

I can see as that would be useful. I have a calculator stuck on the side of my mill so I don't have to subtract long numbers in my head when I'm tired (and possibly end up cutting too much of the part away).
Don't own a pair of dial calipers, just vernier and digital.
But, as of a few weeks ago, I have DROs on the lathe and mill, so digital maybe makes more sense. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:

The lathe uses output from a micrometer?
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On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 22:43:11 -0000 (UTC), John Doe

I'm going to make a measurement with the micrometer, find the difference from the desired measurement, and then move the tool some number of tenths of a mm, say to take up half the difference and leave enough for a finishing pass.
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Is that what the data output on some micrometers is for?
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 01:16:53 -0000 (UTC), John Doe

No, AFAIUI, it's for SPC (statistical process control) where samples are measured, recorded, and mean/standard deviations and trend lines calculated to figure out when things have to be jiggered before the parts start to go out of spec.
https://www.mscdirect.com/betterMRO/metalworking/what-spc-how-manufacturers-stabilize-machining-production
Of course if you have a lot of critical measurements and a big budget you'll use a coordinate measuring machine (CMM) that automatically probes the parts with a little sapphire ball.
https://ecatalog.mitutoyo.com/CRYSTA-Apex-EX-500T700T900T-PH20-Equipped-5-Axis-CNC-CMM-C1840.aspx
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:

Oh! Maybe that means "digital readout".

manufacturers-stabilize-machining-production

Axis-CNC-CMM-C1840.aspx
They have data output on some ordinary digital micrometers.
This one's on sale, Mitutoyo 293-340-30, $127 (USA)...
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"Measurement data output function is available with a water-resistant connection cable." (the cable might be extra)
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On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 05:35:49 -0000 (UTC), John Doe

Many of the inexpensive Chinese ones also can have a cable attached to output data (albeit with a different protocol than Mituyutoyo). It's there to collect inspection data, as I said. Some folks have even made crappy hobby DROs (mis)using them.
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Oh. So the micrometer data output doesn't go to a lathe or a mill.
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