OT - How to Scare Off Coyotes?

On Sat, 13 May 2006 23:37:08 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner quickly quoth:

I've asked neighbors before. Either they entirely deny their dog ever makes a peep (90% of the time) or "ELECTROCUTE MY BABY?" or "The collar is too cruel for my dear pet." (the other 10%) First I tried getting them to purchase one, then I offered. I've never had a taker yet, and I've screamed at dozens of folks (after asking nicely several dozen times, of course.)

AFAIC, the owners should be put to sleep and the dogs trained and given to good homes.

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On Sat, 13 May 2006 12:09:29 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Don Foreman quickly quoth:

Danke.

Grazie.

Cool. I spent the day at my GF's riverfront property. It's on the Applegate River about 10 miles from my house, so we're going to go out there more this summer once the frigid water warms up. It's an unimproved forssted section about 49 acres, with about 500' of riverfront access. She needs an ATV for us to ride, too.

What do you charge her?

That sounds like a very rewarding project. Putting heavy things on wheels is one of my favorite things to do.

I'd like to bring home a nice steelhead sometime soon. Maybe I should get a license and figure out what their run times are...

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This last comment would particularly apply to one vague acquaintance who got herself a somewhat yappy small dog, then had it's vocal cords cut so it wouldn't annoy her so much. Gerry :-)} London, Canada

In the few cases Ive encountered that mind set..Ive asked the owner have they ever seen an animal going through the terminal processes of antifreeze poisoning..then describe them in excruciating detail and say unless they keep the dog in the house..a couple meatballs soaked in antifreeze could be snarfed up by the poor little doggie and they'd not know it until the drooling and aphasia stage.

They either agree that a training collar is best..or keep the barker inside. Either ways works for me.

Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

Get some Llamas, Karakachan Dog, a Great Pyrenees Dog, or a pair of Greyhounds. If you use dogs you need big dogs like the Karakachan or Great Pyrenees. A pair of greyhounds can kill coyotes because they will work together and kill it on the run. A single coyote can often fight off a single dog the size of a German Shepard, or Doberman. Don't get me wrong, the German Shepard or Doberman are fearless enough to fight a coyote, and if the coyote couldn't get away they would kill it, but they usually can't keep it around long enough to kill it and if it runs, they can't catch it.

On my daughters farm, two Llamas protect pastures containing the adult herds of sheep/goats and two Karakachan (Bulgarian Shepard Dogs) protect pastures of the younger lambs and kids. The Llamas will spit and stomp on the coyotes, wild dogs or anything else that comes around. The Llamas kill ratio is about 1 out of 4. The two dogs just kill the intruders, without making any fuss about it. Their ratio is about 4 out of 5. The dogs live with the flocks 24/7 and never come inside. The advantage of Karakachan Dog's, over the Great Pyrenees Mountain Dog's, is that the Karakachan's don't keep you awake all night barking and making a lot of noise. By the way after the 1st coyotes was killed by the dogs, they learned real quickly to avoid the farm. But the stupid wild dogs don't learn and continue to die. They very seldom have had any problems since getting the Llamas and Karakachans, other than disposing of the dead wild dog.

Actually about ½ of these wild dogs are pets that the owners just let run loose, after all its not like they are in a city or anything. They post notices on the wall at the local Wal-Mart of dogs that had been found on the farm. When the owners call saying that's my dog they get asked how they want to pay for the damage their pet did to the livestock, cash, check, or money order. People don't visit the farm looking for their lost pets any more. ( I suggested putting the dogs head on a pole beside the road but got voted down.)

Also I understand that a adopting a pair of Greyhounds from the racetracks, will solve a coyote problem fairly quickly too. In the early '60 I saw a group of people hunting coyotes with greyhounds in the high desert around 29 Palms, Yucca Valley, Apple Valley Calif. They would load the pickups with their greyhounds and take plenty of beer, and just drive around. Whenever they saw a coyote they would let a few greyhounds out and watch them run the coyote down and kill it. Just took a couple of minutes. Can't say I like that method of hunting but what they did was legal at that time.

Oh yeah another advantage of the Karakachan's is they also kill the fox's and leave the cotton tail rabbits alone. We have some great rabbit hunting now.

When I was a kid, one summer I was pumping gas, and this blue haired over done lady in this huge Caddy with tail fins and lots of chrome came in for gas. As I was pumping and cleaning windows and checking oil, I noticed this poodle was bouncing off the inside of the car, mouth just a going. I remembered thinking that car was really really sound proof, until I noticed her arm hanging out the window...

I asked about the dog, and in the sweetest grandmother tones..she said " I love my little precious, but the little bastard was driving me nuts with his barking so I had his vocal cords cut", then she smiled sweetly, handed me her $5 for the 20 gallon fillup and then drove off, leaving me standing next to the pump with my jaw hanging down and the giggles starting to come on.

Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

Using greyhounds was pretty common in Nevada in the mid 70s, there were a couple government hunters using them on coyotes around the Ely and Currant Ranch area. They also used em on mountain lions. Course around the cats, got em treed on a rock up up a bush and kept em there till the hunter could deliver the coup de gras.

Btw...greyhounds, particularly those retired racing greyhounds make pretty good pets, and are surprisingly good in apartments. So so around small children but are great family dogs as the kids get past the crawling stage.

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

On Sun, 14 May 2006 01:00:52 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, Gerald Miller quickly quoth:

Sorry, Gerry, but I'd love to see lots of vocal chords cut since most people aren't responsible enough to own pets. Hmm, maybe if the noisy owners themselves had to have theirs cut, too, upon noise complaints... BUT, a vet I talked with said they just grow back (pet vocal chords) in 6 months, so unbunch your panties. ;)

Ideally, -nobody- should own pets. Look what has happened in the name of greed: tens of thousands of exotic birds are suffocated during smuggling operations each year. Many dog breeds have serious health problems due to inbreeding. I could go on, but Google "pet abuse" for some real scary DAILY abuse news. It's absolutely shameful.

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together and kill it on the run.

I've seen how this works. The first greyhound will run the coyote into a circle, while the second one rests. Then the second hound will take over, while the first one rests. It becomes a relay race for the hounds, while the coyote has to run twice as far, and so he will eventually grow tired, and be taken down.

The reference I have is a bit inconclusive, but it looks like 1000 feet might not be out of the question in terms of atmospheric absorption of 22 KHz ultrasound. There would definitely be some loss, maybe 10 to 20 dB. Things were still being learned when my rather old reference ('40s or 50's) was written.

This absorption is in addition to R-squared loss, which could be dealt with by using a larger dish to get a tighter beam.

Hartmann whistles can produce ultrasound intense enough to boil water and kill mice when focussed at short range, so some loss is sustainable.

I wouldn't think a barking dog 1000 feet away would be that onerous, but your hearing is probably considerably more acute than mine.

They would have to have more than suspicion to do any such thing.

Like a bulk sack of Chef Boyarde meatballs soaked in antifreez and a slingshot.

Shrug..its far harder to prove such things than one would think.

Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

Or simply install a microphone at the property line, that every bark triggers a sonic blast. of several seconds duration.

Now it would be fun if that sonic blast could be heard by the owners. Everytime the dog barks..the owners get it. Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

I think that'd be nearly essential, so the dog will learn to associate "ARF" with immediate "OW!" The objective is training rather than retribution.

Merely a matter of tuning! Given that very few loudspeakers deliver

In actuality, since females tend to have better high-frequency acuity it might be more like arf...ARRRFF ...HARRY, GODDAMMIT, MAKE THAT STUPID DOG SHUT UP!!!

You may recall the story of Richard The S*it, who was messing up my

Poppity poppity KERBLAM ......RICHARD, GETCHERASSINHERE NOW! Shortly later there were some blue flashing lights in the next street for a few minutes, then all was blissfully peaceful.

We did that one year on our hillside very rural home, but we used a 55 gallon drum, a spark plug, a tbsp. of gasoline, and pure O2. Lucky for us, there was a delay until the blue lights actually got there, and we were able to find MOST of the barrel.

When they asked if we had seen or heard anything, all we could answer was,

"Huh?"

Steve

On Sun, 14 May 2006 14:03:19 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm, Don Foreman quickly quoth:

THAT is PRECISELY the action I'm after, Don!

Did he smoke Winstons, or did you rely on the O/A to eliminate any trace of the "fuse"?

ROTFLMAO! Good 'un!

Speed of sound vs. speed of light. I haven't calculated the above, though...

One gallon????? Comeon Don..why think small?

Gunner

The aim of untold millions is to be free to do exactly as they choose and for someone else to pay when things go wrong.

In the past few decades, a peculiar and distinctive psychology has emerged in England. Gone are the civility, sturdy independence, and admirable stoicism that carried the English through the war years . It has been replaced by a constant whine of excuses, complaints, and special pleading. The collapse of the British character has been as swift and complete as the collapse of British power.

Theodore Dalrymple,

Laurie, You sspecifically asked for a solution that does not involve bullets, or poison.. Here it is.

A friend of mine has a pet timberwolf. This is a big animal, and very very friendly and playful around people. He is protective of anything in the household. One day coyotes came around, and discovered the cats. One cat came running acros the yard, with a coyote hot on his tail. The cat ran straigt towards Teddy, and the coyote did not see him until too late. One giant CHOMP! and the cat was out of danger.

The coyotes have not come back, ever. No bullets were involved, no poisons were involved.

Granted the occasional visit in the middle of the night by a pack of about a dozen timberwolfs, who come in to visit with Teddy. Teddy, is very friendly, and never seems bothered by the wild wolf pack.

So one possible solution is to get a timberwolf. HTH Pete

I'm good with all that, but I'm pretty sure that a conversation like that, followed by the untimely demise of the 4-legged offender, would result in unpleasant legal proceedings, both criminal and civil.