OT - In Defense of Religious Marriage

Far be it for me to enter in a political-jabbing thread but:

Them Hebrews knew how to have fun. ;)

Somewhere else in the Bible it says that Moses had to create a law for divorce anyways, "because humans are too stubborn" (or something like that). Plus all the other stuff that you skipped over in the New Testament, which corrects a lot of things in the Old. And, of course, since you're trying to make a point by using a well-accepted text, I wouldn't be suprised if the above (some snipped) are all you could find, no matter how out of context.

Obviously your post is one of extremism that can never happen, for instance one of the founding principles for instance is against descrimination by race or religion.

Tim

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Nope and nope to both ?'s.

BTW what is marriage and why do we need it?

"Get a taste of religion, lick a witch"

I don't know what Bible you're looking at but the King James version has virtually no connection to the passages you cite, or, your citings are so completely out of context that they are meaningless. For example, your point C seems to state that virgins shall be executed. If you actually took the time to look this up you would see that the woman was getting stoned for

*LYING* about being a virgin. The next verse talks about stoning the man if he cheats on his wife. Etc...

I'm not advocating either side of this issue other than to point out that your particular post is nothing but a bunch of contrived crap, which I'm sure is designed to specifically to take a cheap shot at religious principles in general.

Robert

A piece of paper which gives privileges and preferences to a special interest group defined by people who have the piece of paper. It also used to be a way of claiming that certain types of sexual conduct are illegal. In fact it was illegal to HAVE sex without the piece of paper. It was even illegal to rent a house or stay in a hotel room with a person of the opposite sex, without the piece of paper.

We don't need it for anything.

Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD)

I am not opposed to same sex marriage.

John Scheldroup

You are kidding, right? All of those "religious principles" are being enforced on hundreds of millions of people all over the world, right now.

Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD)

Hang on hoss...

No one is debating the fact that religious principles are being enforced on hundreds of millions of people worldwide. If you read the post you would see that I am debating and criticizing the original poster's attempted use of Bible verses to back up his point, when in fact the cited Bible verses have absolutely no relevance to his argument, other than attempting to make it appear like his argument has some merit.

Robert

I am not opposed to same person marriage.

Why should I be denied marriage to myself? I love me. I'm capable of having sex with me. I could easily raise a family. Most importantly, unlike half the multi-person marriages I WILL STAY WITH MYSELF UNTIL DEATH DO ME PART! I would never have a second marriage, not even if my spouse dies. There will never be any 'cheating' in my marriage because any extramarital sex will HAVE to have the approval of all parties in the marriage.

Hmmm, the only downside is that married people will no longer be getting special treatment and preferences if everyone were able to be married.

Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD)

What about samish sex marriage?

Nope! Plus I've already written to my senator and expressed my views. He wrote back saying he agreed with me and would do everything he can to make sure the President doesn't get his new amendment.

In part he said: "In modern times, with few exceptions, we have taken the remarkable step of changing the Constitution to expand the right to participate in our democratic system and to make structural changes to our system of representative government. It would be unprecedented to use this mechanism to restrict the rights of any Americans."

Lane

So what's the problem

"If this trend continues, before long our towns and cities will be full of people like K, S, L, H, T, and O, people "asserting their rights" by dating, falling in love with, marrying, and spending the rest of their lives with whomever they please." "I, for one, am not about to stand by and let that happen."

The author of the letter is creating an illusion of her own, in that which she does not

understand. Her current wife being suddenly female when she was male has gotten to

play both parts as the female role and now male role, lifting weights. She is fascinated

by another friends wife whom is female. She is married to a gay man whom is male.

This friend she knows will divorce her gay husband. The lesbian neighbor want's to get

to know and explain herself to this femine person, maybe later to become equinted.

John

Wrong. In fact the cited Bible verses have absolutely no relevance to his argument under YOUR interpretation of them. Are you one of them middle eastern souperstitious fundies who claims to have the only "TRUE" interpretation of the ignorant middle eastern superstitions?

Wrong.

Harvey (the one & only "TRUE" GOD)

Cliff... have you been reading those old Jewish books?

I was hoping you woudl come around..

Don't you have some unfinished business?

Cliff's Research Project: Prove that God does not exist. Which version of SmartCAm did you use to know so much about it's abilities? What Smartcam template files have you created or edited to understand the code generation possibilities of Smart Cam? What CAD/CAM system do you use on a daily, or weekly, ok monthly basis to program with? What is AIDS? Why is considered an AIDS death? What causes AIDS?

Well, it's better than living one step away from retribution, if ya screw up:

Ms. mulligan says 'jim better not screw up, or else!'

Jim

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Robert.. Robert... Don't mind Cliff. He is avoiding answering old questions by trying to create new ones!

Mike

Cliff's bowl has a 10 unit/inch outside diameter and a 30 unit/inch outer circumference and a 5 unit/inch depth. The diameters have a .005 inch tolerance. And no Virginia PI does not equal 3.00000. So how does Cliff make this bowl?

Prove that God does not exist. Which version of SmartCAm did you use to know so much about it's abilities? What Smartcam template files have you created or edited to understand the code generation possibilities of Smart Cam? What CAD/CAM system do you use on a daily, or weekly, ok monthly basis to program with? What is AIDS? Why is considered an AIDS death? What causes AIDS?

Got Foorp?

Mike

"That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity towards each other." Virginia Constitution 1776

Harvey... angry at God too!! Thanks haven't gone your way? Life hard? Bitterness working on you? You and Gary have a little spat?

Mike

The Articles of Confederation of the United Colonies of New England; May 19, 1643

"Whereas we all came into these parts of America with one and the same end and aim, namely, to advance the Kingdom of our Lord Jesus Christ and to enjoy the liberties of the Gospel in purity with peace; and whereas in our settling (by a wise providence of God) we are further dispersed upon the sea coasts and rivers than was at first intended,............""

That there shall be no establishment of any one religious sect in this Province, in preference to another; and that no Protestant inhabitant of this Colony shall be denied the enjoyment of any civil right, merely on account of his religious principles; but that all persons, professing a belief in the faith of any Protestant sect, who shall demean themselves peaceably under the government, as hereby established, shall be capable of being elected into any office of profit or trust, or being a member of either branch of the Legislature, and shall fully and freely enjoy every privilege and immunity, enjoyed by others their fellow subjects.

1776 State Constitution N.J.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Siggy" (clip) If you actually took the time to look this up you would see that the woman was getting stoned for *LYING* about being a virgin. The next verse talks about stoning the man if he cheats on his wife. Etc...(clip) ^^^^^^^^^^^ So, Siggy, is it your position that stoning, when seen in context, would be an appropriate form of capital punishment? Is it your position that the death penalty is an appropriate penalty for lying or adultery?

Or, can you agree with me, that the Bible is not the place to look for modern law?