range day


"The Kid" came out today to help with my new toy, a .308 semi auto rifle.
DPMS LR308 for those that know their rifle models. He brought his Glock 9MM
and I also got the Mini-14 (.223 semi auto) out too.
We spent more than an hour sighting in the new gun on the bull bag. Its a
regular tack driver at 100 yards. Even better than my bolt action .270.
Every time we walked up close to check our shots. we'd each shoot a 1/2 clip
of glock 9MM. Used up 200 rounds. I kicked "the kid's" ass here. He needs
more practice. He'll be better than me next time - he's just had the gun a
week and never really shot a hand gun before.
Then for off hand rifle shooting. I'm very used to the mini-14 and held
about a six inch diameter on the target if I shot slowly. More like a foot
for rapid fire. "The kid" is considerably better than me on the mini-14.
Used up over 100 rounds.
We also shot the DPMS-308 off hand. I am just plain TERRBILE with this heavy
gun off hand. Any tips on learning to shoot a heavy rifle? I could tell I
quickly tired and couldn't make nice little tight aim circles to shoot on
the down stroke (my mini 14 method) We stopped after two boxes of ammo, its
a buck a shot.
All in all a very fun day. I haven't spent an entire day with my son for a
few years now.
Karl
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Karl Townsend
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Karl...when you are standing up and shooting..how are you...em...have momma take a few pictures of your stance and how you hold the rifle and Ill tell you what you are doing wrong. Feel free to leave your face off if it makes you nervous..
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Gunner
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Gunner Asch
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 19:10:44 -0600, the infamous "Karl Townsend" scrawled the following:
The Panther looks like a sweetheart.
Bull bag? Oh, we have standard small sandbags at our range. I've used them with a terrycloth towel. I can see how the suede cover and the x shape of a Browning bulls bag would be better.
Good, you both found your sweeter positions with different arms.
Find a rest, any rest. Short of that, build up your upper body and practice with it daily for 6 months. Cha CHING!
Ouch!
That's great, Karl. Congrats.
-- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine
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Larry Jaques
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Scroll down to the Vanguard Bipod 2. This particular one has a very wide range of heights suitable for positions from sitting to offhand. The legs are like on a tripod with cam locks that are quick to adjust. It's quite surprising how much a bipod can help. Fitch punched a groundhog right thru the boiler room at 170 yards shooting offhand with one of these. Said GH was DRT (dead right there), dropped in place. The bipod weighs about 1 lb.
Ammo: once-fired .308 brass is about 20 cents ea if/when you can find it. I hope you kept your brass from today.
Primer, about 3 cents recently in St. Cloud Powder, about 20 cents worth Bullet, about 10 cents for Meister lead, 20 to 30 cents for FMJ e.g. Nosler, Hornady, etc
Total per round, about 60 cents plus or minus for first lot, about 40 cents to reload brass you already have. New Winchester brass is about 40 cents ea in lots of 50 or about 34 cents ea in lots of 500, currently in stock at MidwayUSA. Remington brass is cheaper but it doesn't last as long.
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Don Foreman
Thanks for the kind offer. I'll get you some pics tommorrow.
Karl
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Karl Townsend
I use standard old blue jean pants legs filled with clean sandbox sand.
Sew up one end, sew up all but a smidgen of the other end and fill with a funnel, then hand stitch the last little bit.
A 50lb bag of sandbox sand makes a shitload of sandbags, all different shapes and sizes.
Gunner
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Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton
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Gunner Asch
I like the way you say "Clean Sandbox Sand", spoken like a man that has cats!
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Buerste
If you're going to reload, get me a mold and I make some bullets for you.
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Buerste
You got yourself a deal. Email me exactly what you want. karltownsendembarqmail.com
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Karl Townsend
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I'm gittin in the reload bidness. I can see I need serious practice time to master this shooter. I just ordered a Dillon 550 press. And "the kid" offered to do the work.
Karl
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Karl Townsend
I don't have a .308 so I know nothing about loads and projectiles. Decide on those, Gunner might even have a mold for what you want. Lee makes a bunch for less that $20. Read-up on lead bullets with/without gas checks for a suitable load. I'm only starting into molding again after 30 years. I'll be doing .38, 9mm and .45 pistol bullets.
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Buerste
My next sleepless night (been happening often lately), I'll surf the web to see what i can learn. Gunner, feel free to chime in here.
karl
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Karl Townsend
Humm...kitty litter works too..but if you get it wet...it really makes shooting bags get heavy...really really really heavy.
So No Silicone Playground Sand is the best. Though I had a friend that made em up from dried beans. once......Worked pretty good until he put em away after getting caught in a rain burst..and a week later the damned things broke through the canvas and started sprouting. It was rather neat to see.
He wasnt amused..but he never did have much of a sense of humor....
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton
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Gunner Asch
You really..really really dont want to use cast bullets in a gas operated firearm. They are so light pressure wise that they wont cycle the action (single shot, manual reload with the charging handle) and the bullet grease and lead tends to foul the gas operating system in less than 50 rds. It really doesnt hurt anything..but it requires a fair amount of cleaning and muttering.
Ive shot a fair amount of them out of an 8mm FN-49..but with that arm you can turn off the gas system.
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton
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Gunner Asch
What do you need to know?
You dont need gas checks for rounds under 1600 fps. So most handguns really dont require gas checks. Shrug
Ive got a fair amount of loading data in my files...about 25 notebooks full actually....
Someday Ill put them into a computer...shrug
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton
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Gunner Asch
Say, you seem to be a bullet expert. Any reason you can't turn yer own FMJ on a lathe? What exact material? I got a CHNC that hasn't been run for three months now. It will hold 2 tenths all day long. They must need plating after turning. That's Don Forman's expertise.
Karl
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Karl Townsend
After the first of the year component prices should go down...probably by Febuary or March they should be within 10% of prices a year ago.
There are sources on the net..or in Shotgun News for bullets for the 308. The pulled 148gr slugs are often a decent deal..and Accurate Arms makes powder that works fine in the case..and cost about 25-50% less than other brands.
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(check down at the .30 Caliber offerings)
and so forth
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton
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Gunner Asch
I'm no expert by any means! It seems the more I learn, the less I know! Gunner woud be my go-to about loads and projectiles and advised me on my molds for pistol bullets and appropriate starting loads. I forgot you are semi-auto and that changes things.
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Buerste
Actually..they dont need plating at all. You can turn them from copper, bronze and other similar alloys. Even brass. Though with brass...velocities have to be kept pretty low.
Loading data is a bit scarce..but there is some out there. Solids are often used for critters like Cape Horn Buffalo and so forth.
I should mention that stopping those bullets can be a real issue......things like trees, buildings, motorvehicles etc tend to not slow them down a hell of a lot.
A buddy of mine was CNC turning 50 BMG bullets for a secret government entity..and they were winning shooting matches with great regularity. As I recall..3" groups at 1000 yards was fairly common.
Gunner
"Aren't cats Libertarian? They just want to be left alone. I think our dog is a Democrat, as he is always looking for a handout" Unknown Usnet Poster
Heh, heh, I'm pretty sure my dog is a liberal - he has no balls. Keyton
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Gunner Asch
I have a few rice-socks that I throw in the microwave and use for heating pads on sore muscles. Rice won't sprout and is a lot lighter than sand.
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Buerste

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