Steve Jobs passed away.

**RIP indeed. Sad for his family, friends and those adore bling. Wozniak was the real brains in the early days (and, no small thinaks should be due to PARC). Jobs was a great marketer and a good businessman. Let's not place him too high on a pedestal. Without Wozniak and those like him, Jobs would be nothing. Jobs was legendary for his refusal to contribute to charity. By comparison, Wozniak has done much, much more, with much less wealth. Wozniak is the real hero here, not Jobs.

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You have convinced me. Let's not be small-minded about this. RIP Wozniak too. Feel better?

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**No. That idiot, Bloomberg, has just had the temerity to compare Jobs to Edison and Einstein. Edison, I understand, but comparing Jobs to Einstein is just insane. Jobs was a great marketer. That's it. Wozniak was the genius behind the Apple. Woz is not dead. He is alive and still contributing to society in his charitable exploits. That's a whole lot more than jobs ever did.

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Except Wozniak is still very much alive, of course.

Trevor Wilson wrote

Taint just about bling.

due to PARC).

Not with the Apple II etc.

And Apple would never have had the impact it did without that.

And without Jobs, Woz would be nothing.

His choice. I dont either.

I dont buy that.

Wrong. Without Woz Apple would still have mattered.

In spades with the most recent stuff like the ipod, iphone etc.

While the iphone was very late to the mobile phone market, it made one hell of a difference to smartphone software in a way that nothing Woz ever did ever did.

Trevor Wilson wrote

Yes.

Thats a hell of a lot, like with Edison.

Not in recent times.

charitable exploits.

Which are so dazzling in the effectiveness that no one can even name a single one without looking them up.

You dont have to do that with what Jobs has done in the last say decade.

Wrong. The iphone alone leaves anything Woz has done charity wise for dead.

Jobs is comparable to Edison since both guys did not invent anything and they usually keep the genius scientists or engineers in the dark like Mr. Tesla or Mr. Wozniak.

But, lets be honest here. The great engineers are also nothing without a great investor as a champion of novel ideas, may it be the government or a company.

So, lets give back to Ceaser what is owned by Ceasar and I salute Jobs for lead> T.T. wrote:

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Neither Woz or Jobs were the real heros, Woz was a crap engineer that relied on others to get stuff working and Jobs was like a used car salesman. He was particularly good at rewriting computing history to overstate Apple`s influence during the pioneering days too. Plenty of people deserve more recognition, especially people like Chuck Peddle IMO. Plenty of others have passed on already and didn`t get a mention.

Having said that, his later efforts and his relentless work at making his visions into reality and marketing them to the masses is inspiring.

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Woz couldn`t get his own designs working and needed a lot of help from the real engineers. Certainly not the genius the Apple revisionists paint him as.

He played a part in the development of home computers, but so did plenty of others at that time.

Steve Jobs's creative genius was totally uncompromising on product fit and finish. His attention to detail on the product experience is legendary.

He turned the personal computer into a consumer product while everyone else was still building black rectangular boxes with fans in them because "that was how a computer was built".

Woz was a brilliant insides guy Jobs saw a product from a user perspective. Jobs insistence that apple use frog for the industrial design of the the apple ][ changed the product from another start-up product to a success.

Steve Jobs will be missed.

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Well said.

Far too many bitter nerds getting into pissing contests rather than just tipping their hats and say RIP...

Wasn't getting help the standard method then?

What Apple has done has make computing devices accessible to people who would otherwise have found them too difficult to use.

--Brains is as brains does; Jobs had the 'business gene', something we all covet, lest our brilliant widgets malinger on a shelf. Jobs and Woz made the perfect team and now that team is no more; mourn for the future.

P indeed. Sad for his family, friends and those adore bling. Wozniak was

Most engineers have no interest in money or business... doesn't drive them at all. I mean if someone dumped a truckload of money on their front door, they would take it. But otherwise they wouldn't waste a minute pursuing it if it meant turning off American Idol or their favorite football game for more than a minute. Woz was that type of engineer, just likes to build stuff. Steve Jobs, on the other hand, threw all his TVs out of his house, as did Bill Gates. Those types are very very rare.

laurentien wrote

Or even just decide which of the ideas of the engineers are worth marketing.

And it isnt necessarily just investment that matters, its often just deciding what will be taken to market.

And for returning Apple to financial viability again, and ensuring that it got to drive a very substantial part of a particular market again.

And contributing a hell of a lot more that everyone uses than Woz ever did too.

Walter Banks wrote

That totally line is overstating it. The Mac didnt even have multitasking for a long time, neither did the iphone and ipad either.

And the iphone didnt even have cut and paste for a while.

Yes, but you are overstating it with your 'totally'

Thats very arguable. Its arguable if the Mac ever was that and the Apple II never was.

Very few of them were black.

Nope, he needed a lot of help getting the insides working.

Yes. And was a hell of a lot more than that too, particularly with how he returned Apple from the dead.

Thats very arguable. You can make a case that almost anything done right would have been a success and the TRS80 and C64 showed that to be true.

He will indeed.

terryc wrote

real engineers.

Nope.

Didnt happen with visicalc.

Frenton wrote

otherwise have found them too difficult

Thats just plain wrong.