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Rod Speed wrote:


Both were relatively pricey for what they did. Probably alan sugar and asian yumcha manufacturers did that.
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:22:44 +1100, terryc

But they came in colors like pink
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terryc wrote

That wasnt really true until the PC clones showed up.
There wasnt much in it price wise between the IBM PC and the Mac or between the Apple II and say the TRS-80 in the US.

Had nothing to do with that fool sugar, everything to do with the clones.
It was actually the VIV-20 and C64 which drove the real consumer product market.
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On 07/10/2011 05:57, Rod Speed wrote:

If you are going to include such home computers in the discussion, then the credit should got to Clive Sinclair - it was Sinclair that brought computers (and calculators before that) to the masses with the ZX80, ZX81, then the ZX Spectrum. While the Spectrum had many contemporaries, many of which were technically better (such as the Commodore 64 and of course the brilliant Acorn BBC Micros), the Spectrum was by far the biggest player.
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David Brown wrote

You have to when discussing the original claim about A CONSUMER PRODUCT.

Nope, that was no more than a fart in the bath in that soggy little island.

Nope, just to that soggy little island.

And which mattered to a hell of a lot more than just that soggy little island.

Nothing particularly brilliant about it.

Like hell it was outside that soggy little island.
The C64 left it for dead market wise.
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Rod Speed wrote:

We agree on something. The VIC20 was the first home computer to crack a million sales, the C64 then blew everything away in terms of sales. The TRS-80 was populare in the US (and other markets also) The poms produced systems that might have been popular in the UK, but had little impact elsewhere, mostly because most were cheap and nasty.
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Most engineers have no interest in money or business... doesn't drive them at all. I mean if someone dumped a truckload of money on their front door, they would take it. But otherwise they wouldn't waste a minute pursuing it if it meant turning off American Idol or their favorite football game for more than a minute. Woz was that type of engineer, just likes to build stuff. Steve Jobs, on the other hand, threw all his TVs out of his house, as did Bill Gates. Those types are very very rare.
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steamer wrote

Hippys dont.

Nope, just an effective one.

That 'team' hasnt existed for 15 years now.

The future will be fine, you watch.
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Rod Speed wrote:

Someone may arise, but I suspect it will be very hard with MS, apple, etc patenting everything they can, it is going to be darn difficult.
Open source hardware has been a repeated flop and open source software repeatedly forks and/or reinvents the wheel.

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On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:25:51 +1100, terryc

Google have money behind them and are going to put it behind a Linux operating system (Google Chrome). Money seems to lubricate wheels
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Pretzl wrote

And it remains to be seen if it will fly.
Linux has flown like a lead balloon in the desktop market.

It aint about the money.
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On Fri, 7 Oct 2011 15:08:58 +1100, "Rod Speed"

It's always about money, without it Linux will remain a lead balloon
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Pretzl wrote

Wrong, as always.

It remains to be seen if it stops being a lead balloon for the desktop with google money.
Bet it doesnt,
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Petzl wrote:

Linux became a lead ballon when they decided to make it more like microsoft OSs and the fate was sealed when it was decided to make it fool proof.
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terryc wrote

Nope, it always was a lead balloon on the desktop.

They did nothing of the sort.
And those that dont like that approach just use one of the distros that doesnt do that.
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Linux *always* has been a lead balloon and it only became *worse* because of the zillions of - totally undeeded and undesired - different, incompatible, distibutions. It's the distros which killed Linux.
The *real* UNIX vendors were on their way to make UNIX a *real* standard. Then Linux 'happened' and we're stuck with a total mess which even Microsoft didn't manage to create.
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Frank Slootweg wrote:

Iguess if you want eye candy then it might appear that way, but IME time and time again, when it came to serios work Linux just did the job
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For *servers*, run by (effectively) *professionals*, yes. For any other purpose, no.
FYI, I professionally supported, managed and ran real UNIX systems for two decades. Linux *could* have been a viable alternative for most of the servers and also for a reasonable share of the 'desktops', but the silly infighting ruined all that. Sad, but true.
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Frank Slootweg wrote:

Agreed, but I have performed a lot of my personal and business desktop work on Linux. Saved about $5K pa in software upgrades compared to MS OSs.
Lol, started on a pair of CPM machines and didn't replace them till both irrevessibly died.
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