I don't want to start a new flame war but I'm curious what the current state of "debt relief" is. About two years ago Kevin sold CountdownHobbies and began working for some debt relief company, and this resulted in way numerous posts to RMR, most of which questioned the ethics of the procedure. I had a little time yesterday so I looked up this old discussion thread. In it Kevin advised we go to www.dynamicsolutions.cc. I had read some of that site back then but not all so I wanted to do more study about thier claims. When I did my browser said the page cannot be found. A Google search gave only one entry firstname.lastname@example.org. This took me to a site called Buisness Professionals Northwest (www.bpnw.com/DebtRelief/index.html). I sent this person an e-mail but have received no answer yet. AltaVista gave me https://www.naes.cc/index.aspx (North American Educational Services). Ask gave me www.international.dynamicsolutions.cc/ but I got the page cannot be displayed. It appears this company has disappeared from the web just 2 years later, and since Kevin hasn't posted here in some time, I really hope he didn't get into legal trouble becaue of his association with that company. Larry Lobdell Jr.