LEUP Capabilities

Could someone tell me exactly what a LEUP allows you to do in terms of types and maximum quantities of materials you can purchase, store, and transport assuming you could get unlimited magazine space?

Brad Hitch

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Brad Hitch
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All this information is available directly from the BATFE web site without risking incorrect interpretations by us rmr dweebs. Your company doesn't happen to have a government contract related to this, does it?

-John DeMar NAR #52094

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John DeMar

You seek Orange book, you do.

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Joel. phx

Interpretations of law not make one great.

Couldn't come up with a way to work 'grassh> >

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Joel Corwith

Ahhh, that I was grasshopper.

Joel. phx

Thanks for the 'set'.

Dang it's late,...

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Joel Corwith

No, this is strictly "hobby" time. I've looked over the current online 27 CFR Part 55 and I see no Federal restriction on the maximum quantity of low explosives allowed to be stored, except greater than

300,000 pounds is off of chart 55.219. I may have missed something here, so I would appreciate anyone pointing out any other relevant sections of law or the regulations.

Brad Hitch

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Brad Hitch

snipped-for-privacy@tda.com (Brad Hitch) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:

Keep in mind that state and local laws are frequently more restrictive than the federal regulations. That's why an LEUP is worthless to so many rocket fliers - even with the federal permit, state and local laws would prohibit them from storing rocket motors on their property.

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David W.

Since Jerry seems to be on vacation, I'll tell you what I think he'd say.

You can have all you want because APCP as used in model & hp rocketry is not an explosive so, it can't be regulated.

Others say the limit is enough for hobby rocketry unless you are flying a bunch of huge rockets.

Phil Stein

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Phil Stein

But then you (and he) would be assuming that Brad was asking about propellant. No where has he indicated that. He could be storing black powder for ejection charges. Which, once he has an LEUP and magazine, he is not restricted by the 50lb exemption for firearms.

Joel. phx

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Joel Corwith

I specifically said APCP. If that's not what he wants, he can ask again. As far as assuming, APCP would be in line with the topic here.

Phil

Phil Stein

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Phil Stein

snipped-for-privacy@tda.com (Brad Hitch) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:

My understanding as well. Eventually, BATFE would get around to inspecting you, but given the additional inspections engendered by the increase in permit holders required by the new regulations, the "MTBI" would probably increase, and you'd be more likely to get away with any such nefarious stockpiling before you committed your dastardly deed.

It's called the law of unintended consequences. Note that unintended does not mean unforeseeable, unless you turn a blind eye to the consequences of your mindless policy making.

"It's the government, it doesn't have to make sense."

len.

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Leonard Fehskens

I thought mindless implied blind.

Sure seems to work out that way, eh?

Doug

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Doug Sams

If a person is intent on breaking the law, he/she can do so with or without a LEUP or storage. When a vendor sells motors to a LEUP holder the presumption is that the buyer will store the motors in accordance with law, but that is the responsibility of the buyer, not the vendor. If a vedor did not have that presumption, he would not make the sale, and he would notify authorities of the attempted purchase.

Alan

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Alan Jones

It wouldn't even be that hard to pass an inspection. I could conjecture some more here - even if you didn't have the legal storage capacity for your stockpile, all one would have to do is store it illegally somewhere else and say that "I used it." That would probably work at least once. To stretch this further, the explosives manufacturers sales reps could even consider this person a great customer and be competing to provide their product. Potentially, therefore, it would be the act of proliferating needless LEUP's that really uncorks the Djinni's bottle. The whole regulatory system basically depends on the honesty of the people involved. Dishonest people can always subvert the regulations, even if only temporarily.

As far as unintended consequences, its a hard call - how could (a) the upper management of ATF (in particular) and the DOJ be so brain dead that they wouldn't recognize that, with all of the new LEUP's out there, it could end up like handing out keys to corvettes with drink holders to high school students. Or, if one were paranoid, you would say they were counting on "incidents" to be able to get more funding, more agents, and more regulations. The razor Occam gave me is having a hard time with this one. Both scenarios are bad but believable, though I suppose (a) is "simpler" :)

By the way, I don't have an LEUP and I doubt I ever will.

Brad Hitch

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Brad Hitch

This post is such a KEEPER!

This should be in the FAQ.

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Jerry Irvine

Say what? Jerry not online during NARAM? Maybe he was there in disguise. Perhaps that guy who introduced himself to me as "Shockie" was really Jerry :-)

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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Bob Kaplow

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