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Ok, can anyone tell me when Don fell off the deep end?

Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75

Who's Don?

tah

The hysteria over viruses is much akin to the hysteria over getting a flu shot. Use common sense and you'll save yourself money and won't get infected. I have never had a virus on a PC in the 15 or so years I've used them(Used Ataris prior to that) and I never run antivirus software. When I get in the occaisional arguement with someone over this I will run one one just to prove to them I don't have an infection and then I explain how they too, can live the blissful no computer virus life...

Well then, I think I just might need some of your blissful insight on how to stay protected. So Dan the man, how's this all done?? What secrets do you hold?

Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75

You can get viro-infected with nasty java-scripts and such by just going to the wrong types of websites. Worst part of it is, you'll never know it until it's too late. There's a LOT more ways to get a virus than attachment via email.

Don't open executable email attachments and don't click Open in any dialog that pops up in IE asking what you want to do with some file, unless you know for certain what you are doing,, like downloading a proram on purpose for instance. Many people who are novice users will click on a link thinking it's taking them where they intended when in actuality it may be linking to an executable file. They click Open when it asks because after all that is what they wanted to do.... I've seen it over and over again in computers I've fixed. People do the same stupid things time and again.

That's a myth and it's unfortunate that it continues. Read the good virus sites that get into the meaty detail and if you dig down far enough you'll discover this. At some point the user has to click an Ok or Accept or Apply button somewhere to allow malicious code to run. You've got to acknowledge and accept an executable file to get infected. Any that don't depend on this are so rare and depend on so many unlikely variables that they are almost guaranteed to fail. Information propagating the 'you'll get it just by visiting hte site' myth are pure propaganda. I make it my business to know how this 'beasties' work ;)

Wow, did anyone hear the bell ring?!?! I think I just got schooled!

Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75

Dan, 1996 called and wants it's 3.5" floppy disk back....

Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75

You've never heard of jpeg, javascript, or html buffer overrun exploits, I assume?

Those virus DO exist. In fact, a new one just appeared a few weeks ago, exploiting an unpatched flaw in Internet Explorer.

New baby (and attendant lack of sleep) in the house has me cranky lately. My apologies.

That would be a 5.25"...or maybe even a 8"?

None needed, and boy, do I completely understand. I'm just happy those days are passed -- with the exception of now, I have to wait up to make sure they're home...

Addtionally, there are some real non-snipped doosies in this thread too... the record appears to be 152 lines...

tah

Well yes, if it were 1986 :)

Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75

What's wrong, is Your punch card reader on the fritz?

Punch cards? Punch cards? We don't want no stinkin' punch cards!

Paper tape, please....

Well, a paper tape drive would make playing mp3 files a whole lot less labor intensive. But I don't know, are they reliable?

Heres the top 10 list from the University of Arizona's Chemical Engineering Dept.

Top 10 viruses in November 2005

1 W32/Sober-Z - How it spreads Email attachments 2 W32/Netsky-P - How it spreads Email attachments 3 W32/Mytob-GH - How it spreads Email attachments 4 W32/Mytob-EX - Variant of above. 5 W32/Zafi-D - How it spreads Email attachments 6 W32/Mytob-BE Variant of above. 7 W32/Zafi-B-Variant of above. 8 W32/Mytob-AS Variant of above. 9 W32/Netsky-D Variant of above. 10 W32/Mytob-C Variant of above.

You can also go here:

you read their white papers section you'll see it concentrates on email worms and spyware/adware - meaning executable programs that you got probably with something like Bonzi Buddy(in the old days), kazaa, AIM, WeatherDesktop etc or that you downloaded seperately for whatever bizarre reason.

Prove me wrong, show me a virus that requires no user interaction, I'll read up on it and either agree or disagree that it's real and I'll also state how much of a threat I think it is to the average Joe. Every buffer bug I've ever seen was either a hoax or you had to have such perfect conditions for it to work that it would most likely never effect very many people. Whenever you hear about a mass virus outbreak, it is always an email virus. You may read about buffer overflow bugs on various tech news sites but if you dig deep and really read up on it you'll generally find that it's next to impossible for it to really work. Some of these things you really have to work at it to spread.

I never said they were a major threat - but there is a big diffrence between "They are not a major threat." and "They don't exist."

The ones I have seen require you to visit a malicous website, whereupon the malformed data exploits a flaw in the browser or plugin and begins to execute code on your computer - with no other user interaction aside from visiting the website. Now, its not a big stretch of the imagination to see hybrid email/web viruses - many people (perhaps outnumbered by those that don't, sadly, but its slowly spreading) know not to open attachments now. But how many people know not to click the link in the "joke" their friend just sent them?

Now, as far as one in existance, here's some from the last several weeks, though it appears Microsoft just patched this one, finally.

And heres another one, that was recently fixed by google blocking the exploit (though the bug was in IE):

Now, these have been patched (And we all know users always update windows, right?), but they did exist in the wild for a time without patches. Its foolish to think it can't happen again.