Pro38 do 62.5g reloads and 64.5g in the classic range giving a slight thrust
ProX - Pro
They great!! easy to assemble and use.
They are AVAILABLE here in the UK.
Similar hardware price to Pre-fire AT
no fidley washer to acccidently bin when cleaning the case :-(
Very little case cleanup (though plenty of pad cleanup after launching SS
reloads all day)
I like to see white thunder reloads in the Pro38 and 54 range to
Prox - Con
Only one on a really my personal opinion is that the end closure on the
pro54 range is well over prices for what is in essence a turned peice of
AT - Pro
The cases make nice shelf ornament (well mine do now!)
AT - Con
No longer any reaching the UK.
The assembly method compared to CTI now looks dated and fidely
What reloads did make it into the country post fire where hiked up in price.
They left it so long with out any motors over here that a good proportion of
flyers now have flown nothing but CTI and will continue to do so, it's only
those of us who've been flying a while that have any AT hardware.
CTI Motors are here to (i hope) stay in the UK they will have such a market
share that i can't believe we will realisticly ever see AT HPR reloads over
There only chance is to try and get some SU or 24/29mm stuff here as there
is currently no expectation of these from CTI and they'd better hurry if
Congrieve start shipping there USR motors soon then they will have that
market share cornered.
I'd like to see AT back if only to get a chance to fly some of my 29mm
rockets and give my cases a dusting but i won't hold my breath.
UKRA 1159 Level 2 RSO
Ah! I got the impression that the 62.5US reloads where ordered by mistake
and we would normally get the 64.5 Canadian ones
UKRA 1159 Level 2 RSO
here are the CTI 64.5g reloads and expirations as of 11/15/3
265H110-13A 6-30-03 TRA
402I170-15A 7-31-03 TRA
670J300-15A 6-30-03 TRA
800J360-15A 6-30-03 TRA
137G60-12A 3-31-05 TRA
540I240-15A 6-30-04 TRA
Darren J Longhorn wrote:
The TRIPOLI experation dates mean nothing to us UKRA wasn't daft enough to
enforce a restrictive motor certification policy.
If they've been through the UK legal HSE requirements then they're legal to
buy in the UK then we fly them.
UKRA 1159 Level 2 RSO
perhaps..perhaps not.....you will notice that most HPR rocketeers in the
UK, have a explosives license and a magazine to store such explosives
in.....its not optional, its required......
which is what the NAR/TRA are fighting against here.... hmmm doesn't anybody
find it interesting that in the UK, the HPR rocketeers don't seem to have a
problem with explosives licenses and explosives magazines.... ohh wait a
minute, this is the same country that basically forbids citizens to own
I might add that this explosive license is required on motors greater than
Estes D size.....
so be careful when comparing apples and oranges....
ECXEPT specific UN numbers. Unlimited size and quantity.
Also there there are "the police" not 15 layers of conflicting
etc, etc, etc
Here in USA if you have a permit, it is a waiver of some very narrow
subsection of code orlaw and you are "on your own" with the rest.
A UK permit ALLOWS you to posess, transport, store, discharge, dispose,
etc every aspect of the designated materials IN GENERAL.
God save the queen.
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to: email@example.com>
Bit of a simplification. Generally you have to deal with three bodies.
The core document is either the "license to acquire" or "license to
acquire and keep". You get this from your local Police. This is free,
and is renewable either every year or every three years.
If you choose the "License to acquire" route, you're done. You can buy
motors on site, but you have to have arrangements in place for storage
in case you can't use them, as you can't take them away with you.
Usually your vendor will take care of that, but it's perfectly OK if
your buddy looks after the motors for you.
If you go the "license to acquire and keep", you need a registered
store. You get that from either the local Fire Service or Local
Trading Standards Officer (depends where you live). Renewable
annually, it costs the equivalent of about $20.
If you have a "license to acquire and keep" you also need a "Recipient
Competent Authority" document. You get this by faxing your "license to
acquire and keep" & "registered store" documentation to the HSE. They
send you the "RCA" the next day.
Might sound complicated, but it isn't. People generally only have
problems if they are either dealing with local officials who have
never heard of hobby rocketry before, or they're nuts.
Darren J Longhorn http://www.geocities.com/darrenlonghorn /
NSRG #005 http://www.northstarrocketry.org.uk /
Hardly an issue.
This is something we've always had to do. The certificate is applied for
and is free 'police or fire service' do an inspection of your method of
The 'explosive magazine' or storage device can be anything from a lockable
draw. Most the guys i know use army surpless amunition boxes and line them
No we don't anyone can own a firearm in the UK you just have to register it.
Our gun crime might be on the up since the market was flooded with ex
eastern block hardware. however it's still a lot lower than the US.
Registration dosn't stop the nutters getting guns, but at least it not a
case of locking the stable door after the horse has bolted which is what
seems to be happening in the US at the moment.
says the guy comparing guns to HPR
UKRA 1159 Level 2 RSO
<< hmmm doesn't anybody find it interesting that in the UK, the HPR rocketeers
don't seem to have a problem with explosives licenses and explosives
Maybe in the UK storage and permits are easier to get then they are over here?
I doubt there would be much complaint here if the permits were cheap, simple
and readily available.
I'f storage were allowed in homes and attached garages without red tape, and
the permits were stright forward,
without all the red tape, I think it would be more accepted, like it seems
to be in the UK.
The US agency is making a real debacle out of it at the current time, and
doesn't even know it's own rules.
<< The US agency is making a real debacle out of it at the current time >>
I think that's probably due to their desire not merely to license users, but to
restrict usage of "prohibited" materials as much as possible. A "we can't
outright ban it, so let's regulate it to death" approach.
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