pros and cons list for Pro38 and Aerotech engines.

Even so, Bob's position is that NAR's position, right or wrong is the "official one". That is hard to argue with.

My gosh, I hadn't looked at it that way...

Now that you mention it, there appears to be a conspiracy to get us to believe there's a conspiracy...

David Erbas-White

That is the never ending conspiracy. The whole point of RAISING THE SUBJECT of a conspiracyis to suspend disbelief about the misdirection itslef by having confusion over which is truth or lies.

Jerry

What?

One of my favorite episodes of The X-Files. "Deny, Inveigle and Obfuscate"

-anon rmr poster

"The whole aim of practical politics [or trolls] is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be lead to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)

Jerry Irvine" wrote

Cool, haven't heard that claim before. What's the USR delay adjustment tool like?

Now you're slinging bull again, Jerry. They have the Canadian equivalent of a HEMP (an even higher standard than a LEMP) and they ARE certified.

While I fully understand that they have an 'HEMP', and agree that it is probably a higher standard than a 'LEMP', and fully agree that they are competent, capable, etc., could you please point me to the citation (either in TRA bylaws, or in US Law), that provides that a Canadian HEMP supercedes any American requirements for a US LEMP?

I ask this, because, for example, my wife had a heck of a time getting her undergraduate degree from an overseas university accredited, despite the fact that she ended up getting a Masters at CalTech and a Masters at USC, with honors, and on scholarship. You see, here in America we simply don't seem to accept the fact that other countries may be able to accomplish things in the same fashion that we are able to, and so we tend to not give credence to foreign certifications. (for the humor impaired, this is an attempt at wry witticism).

That's why I'd like to find out what legal equivalence there is for this Canadian certification.

Oh, while you're at it, Ray, please point to the LEGAL (not TRA mandated) requirement of the LEMP comes from...

David Erbas-White

So if the guy typed Aerotech as, say, Ameritech (spell check) cancel all launches and recall all the motors?

Joel. phx

Personally, I don't care what color a piece of aluminum tubing is....

A 1/8" drill bit, a ruler and masking tape. High tech and only recently possible with new technology,eh?

Bull? Watch this!

2-2.2 In addition to the above the applicant must obtain and submit an "EX" number assigned for a particular propellant formulation by the U.S. Department of Transportation/ Research and Special Programs Administration (US DOT/RSPA). This agency issues this number on a recommendation by the Bureau of Explosives (BOE), Canada Center for Mineral and Energy Technology/Canadian Explosives Research Laboratory (CANMET/CERL), or any other agency approved by the competent authority of the United States. The recommendation for classification is given when the applicant provides propellant and other required information for testing.

Explosive Manufacturer's license prior to acceptance of motors for testing. This requirement is by Tripoli Board motion and vote on 23 January 1994.

Apogee and PML (and Rocketvision) motors were certified because they were NAR listed. NAR recognizes 3rd party labeled motors as being identical to the original manufacturer. TRA does not. Unless its Kosdon by Aerotech or Aerotech by Ellis.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

These were all AT OEMed USR labeled motors. Not made by the vendor that Jerry currently deals with. Submitted and tested by Aerotech.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Nothing that is current;y available. But I've seen EX loads for AT casings, and At casing clones that were NOT certified.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Good one!!! ;-)

More like too many people living in California..

We'll be exporting some soon to other welfare states..

Tell them the "Govenator" sent 'ya..

T

I don't know. As far as the law goes, I have no doubt that Canadian permits for Canadian manufacturers are accepted by the US government. I believe that Anthony stated as much when this subject was brought up a few weeks ago.

As for motor certification, I believe the TMT requirements are posted on TRA's website. I haven't looked at them lately, but I seem to recall that the last time this was brought up there was considerable whining from the usual parties about how "it only says LEMP, so they shouldn't be certified!"

Which is how it's supposed to be done. Maybe Jerry should go back to having AT make his motors, since they were at least willing to get them certified -- unlike his current supplier.

you mean there isn't really a conspiracy?!!

- iz

David Erbas-White wrote:

That's just what they WANT you to believe!!!

David Erbas-White

Why is it "supposed to be done" that way?

-dave w

The TRIPOLI experation dates mean nothing to us UKRA wasn't daft enough to enforce a restrictive motor certification policy.

If they've been through the UK legal HSE requirements then they're legal to buy in the UK then we fly them.

-- Damian Burrin UKRA 1159 Level 2 RSO EARS 1115

email snipped-for-privacy@ntlworld.com email snipped-for-privacy@ukrocketry.com

sounds like you have more sense than alot of us yanks!

- iz

Damian Burr>>here are the CTI 64.5g reloads and expirations as of 11/15/3

Expiration of TRA certification? That's irrelevant for use in the UK.

I suspect that Cesaroni are rationalising their product range for commercial reasons.