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Of course not. They'll do the same thing they've been doing for years : "interpret" and "define" the law (or court ruling) to suit their agenda, until it the judge slaps them down again and clears up the slight ambiguities the ATF relied on.

BTW, as I said before, they WON'T be going after individual consumers in any case. They don't have to. They know they can be much more effective by threatening manufacturers, vendors, certifying authorities, etc.

For instance, they can tell vendors they'll lose their license if they sell reloads to non-permittees. Sure, the vendor could challenge them -- but until the case is resolved he has no permit and can't sell motors. So he gets to watch his business go down the toilet while the case slowly works its way through the court system. Eventually the judge tells the ATF that yes, reloads ARE covered by the PAD exemption. But by then it's too late -- the dealer has gone bankrupt.

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On the other hand, the only reason an individual vendor needs any kind of BATF-related "license" for exempt PAD's is if he's getting them from a manufacturer who still insists on distributing them under the auspices of the "licensee/permittee" system in the first place...

-dave w

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David Weinshenker

You seem to have declared yourself ATF's personal mind reader and future teller.

Impressive skills you got there.

To bad so sad my personal experience with ATF and my own permit flies in the face of yours without one.

Take new mind control classes?

Jerry

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Jerry Irvine

This should be in the FAQ!

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Jerry Irvine

jerry, you know that you don't have any BATFE permits. Why do you continue to lie? The BATFE would never allow a criminal such as yourself to posses a permit to manufacture explosives.

jerry, what does the BATFE have to say about your shipping practices?

maybe someone should inquire of the BATFE, as to what they think about YOU shipping class B hazmat, deliberately and fraudulently labeled as "model aircraft parts".

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Dave Grayvis

Dave, Are you willing to sit in jail (unable to afford the $500,000 bail) for

6 months while the court participants jocky for position? Are you willing to then go through the onerous task of "character rebuilding" after you're -not -tried on terrisom charges but plead guilty to having 4 ounces of black powder "not intended for use in antique firearms", and being labeled by your community as a "guy who had stuff to make rockets and bombs?"

Sure, on TV you'd root for that guy, so would I. But do you really want to be him in real life?

steve

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bil stine may or may not be uptodape in his knowlwdge of what states hav adopted NFPA1125 or 1127.. The Ky State Fire Marshal wasn't even aware that KY had adopted the NFPA codes until I pointed it out to him....It seems NFPA 1 was adopted and it has buried in it, the language to adopt the NFPA 1122/25/27 codes by reference.... Evidently not enough states were bothering to adopt either so courtesy of the NAR they put the Chapetr 65 language into NFPA1....

And I see no difference in "civil" versus "criminal" law....they are both still laws with sanctions if you violate them.... on the other hand, the fact that most State Fire Marshalls do not even know the NFPA codes have been adopted in their states is probably a good thing as far as enforcement is concerned.... But then thats why I keep a copy of the NFPA codes with me when I go out to launch rockets along with copies of the applicable state laws.....just in case to cover my butt....

shockie B)

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NFPA 1127 "IS" the Tripoli Safety Code....... SO even if you think that NFPA is not law in your state, if you are a member of the TRA then you must abide by NFPA 1127 because it also functions as the TRA's Safety Code.....

IF you violate the TRA Safety Code, that is grounds for dismissal from their organization...

shockie B)

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shockwaveriderz

Ah, yes. I see where you're going here, Dave. If we don't buy into their imposition of illegal rules and overbearing regulations, we can just ship rocket motors to and from vendors as "model aircraft parts" and avoid the whole legal higgledy piggledy. After all, it worked for Jer... DOH!

steve

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Dave W. replied:

Don't be dumb, Dave. The same tactic that works against vendors works against manufacturers.

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RayDunakin

LOL! _That_ should be in the FAQ!

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RayDunakin

Jerry wrote:

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RayDunakin

I keep hearing this accusation of a felony conviction in Jerry's background, but no specifics. If you have any, please state them. If not, why keep making accusations that you can't back up?

Shutting Jerry up (or scoring points in an old feud) isn't worth it.

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