Sigh ... ok Jerome, what OTHER non-government agency flew to 40 miles?

Here:

Am I wrong? I thought the Japanese in the 70¹s were the first amateurs to put a rocket into space. I believe they were academics and students of the University of Tokyo and they launched the Ohsumi. The University of Tokyo was the only university in the world to build an launch their own rockets into space. Perhaps academics and students don¹t qualify as amateur, but this is fine line. For a group to qualify as amateur they shouldn¹t have any academic or aerospace associations. I know of no such group.

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Feel free to post it. Since Ky's group consisted both of amateurs and professional rocket scientists then his group is no more or less amateur than the Japanese group which consisted of academics and students. Tokyo University is still considered the only University to have built and flown their own rocket into space.

Ky may have reached his goal if the FAA can confirms it officially, but it is no more notable than what the Japanese students and professors did in Japan 34 years ago. In some ways it is less because the motors used by the Japanese were much lower impulse.

There.

Keep searching?

Jerry,

The discussion was in terms of putting a human to that altitude, not a satellite.

David Erbas-White

"The discussion was in terms of putting a human to that altitude, not a satellite."

The CLAIM was "non-government aerospace program."

Details matter.

In the original reply I conceeded the manned achievement.

Some people might consider that to be a space program with government backing since Tokyo University is a national university. But none the less, they were still amateurs in my book. Now I don't think I would consider Rutans group amateurs, Scaled Composites is a company and the people working on SS1 are paid for there services.(I know you never actually called Rutans group amateurs and this is about non-government aerospace program but felt I had to add that)

I agree, what Rutan is doing is much more notable then what Ky did. I am not trying to take anything away from what Ky did but the differnece between putting a rocket up and a person up are 2 different things.

For a group to qualify as amateur they

am·a·teur n. 1.. A person who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession. 2.. Sports. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition. 3.. One lacking the skill of a professional, as in an art.

Point(s).

Jerry

Ky (and Korey and Derek) do rock!

Jerry, you're right, details matter. The sentence that is above included the fact that it was piloted, and it was under the HEADING of

"Paul G. Allen and Burt Rutan Announce Plans for First Non-Government, Privately Funded Manned Space Flight"

For you to selectively parse both the sentence (which contained the mention of the pilot) and the paragraph (which began with the above line) is ludicrous.

Sorry, but you're wrong on this one.

David Erbas-White

Okay, I parsed! Sue me (stand in line).

Jerry

ahh jerry did that japanese rocket carry a living human being ??

Chris Taylor

you can not legitimately selectively cut and paste like that

the PROPER quote is

PILOT MIKE MELVIL REACHED ~40 miles.

THAT is the highest altitude ever reached by a non gov etc.. etc..

OK, give me your real name and address!!!

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David Erbas-White

once again no you can not

I said this

its right down there in the quote too

I did NOT say you can not do it. Never said any such thing.

I said you can nto LEGITIMATELY SELECTIVELY cut and paste.

your responce is ONLY valid if I said simply that you can not do it. I never said such a thing.

so what exactly were you replying to ??

I did therefore I can.

These are STATE supported activities ... NOT private funded endevors, i.e. amateur ... are you that DENSE Jerome?!?

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you DID yes you did LEGITIMATELY NO.

that you did not do so AGAIN what were you replying to.

seeing as how I did not say you could not what is it that you can do ?

Chris Taylor

Please note that the original poster did not say *anything* about a MANNED flight to 40 miles... just a non-government agency.

Whoops. I misread. Ignore my last post. (Sorry...)

You can if you may?

You shouldn't if you mustn't?

You oughtn't if you shouldn't?

There are lots of nits to pick if you have loads of time and bandwidth to waste. Lawyers get to shovel a lot of this stuff, I'll bet.

... tongue firmly in cheek :-)

But you didn't do it legitimately.