Oooo.... the Panzerschiffe were the Graf Spee, Deutschland/Luetzow,
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau were larger and were referred to as
battleships (Schlachtschiff) by the Germans. They did not have a
terribly heavy armament for a battleship, although 11" projectiles were
nothing to sniff at regardless. Essentially, given their protection,
they were fast battleships.
In fact, IIRC, their original armament was to have been three triple 15"
turrets, which were however not ready at the time.
email@example.com said the following on 28/03/2011 07:10:
Don't forget that in that case photographic evidence points to crews
wedging doors open by stockpiling shells in front of them from one end
of the ship to the other to increase rate of fire over the German
ships of the time. Bad idea!
Bang on the money, except the three twin 15" were to be an upgrade
later in life (IIRC, when built the Germans were still stuck with the
11" because of Versailles).
The 15" were to be part of a major rebuild with the secondary and
tertiary armament being replaced by a uniform battery of 128mm guns
and a new forward hull. This was started but not completed for
Gneisenau. As a result her original armament was removed and sent for
installation as coast defence mounts, leading to the survival of
several items. The triple 11" turret "Cesar" is at Austratt in
Norway, while two of the Twin 5.9 turrets are in Denmark. At least
one of the 11" salvaged from Turret "Anton" was sent to the Low
Countries (Holland or Belgium) along with one of the 15" Gneisenau was
to have received, and I believe the gun tubes are still extant.
P.S., Hope things are improving after your recent problems.
The Kriegsmarine put Battleship Scharnhorst on the cap bands, so I guess
they found it one.
Most Battleships had 12" and above, 14", 15" and 16" being the most common,
but 18,"1 in Yamato class and even 20" in the WW I Courageous class.
Basicly she had "only" 11" main cannons, but plans were said to be in hand
for exchanging three tripple 11" for three doubble 15" turrets.
Then there's the question of armour... Scharnhorst had a maximum of
13,5"(Military Book Club, Battleship Scharnhorst, page 12) Late US
battleships (South Dakotas and Iowa had 12 1/4" - US Battleships in Action 2
page 21) so apparently she had the armour to be classified a battleship.
And yes I know, armour thickness is not the only factor, but most I have
read states that german steel was at least as good as any other - and
probably better. Tough as Krupp Steel ring a bell anywhere?
Also considering her last action against a superior force, I belive she did
pretty good against the british shells, but couldn't give as good as she
Battleship in my book.
"Mad Modeller" skrev i meddelelsen
So, was the Scharnhorst a battleship or a battlecruiser? I've seen it
referred to both ways which confuses a ship newbie like me.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Thanks for the correction. Yes, I read similarly after that on the
German Wikipedia page---apparently to avoid antagonizing the British. In
fact, I had not known that S&G were in fact laid down as Panzerschiffe
also, but when the French Dunquerque and Strassbourg arrived on the
scene they were hastily rethrought, and then redesigned to much larger
Things could be better, but apart from the new knowledge (as we
suspected from the beginning) that plutonium has also leaked, nothing
too serious LOL
On 3/28/2011 11:52 AM, Claus Gustafsen wrote:> The Kriegsmarine put
Battleship Scharnhorst on the cap bands, so I guess
belive she did
Tamiya did a good job explaining the Battle of North Cape on the
instruction sheet. I've seen it mentioned elsewhere but in a way that
assumes the reader knows what happened. I didn't until just recently.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
A tragedy---the war in general of course---that as the British had
deceived the Germans extremely well about their radar capabilities, the
KM turned off their radars as a matter of policy. This allowed British
cruisers to get fairly close undetected and open fire first. The initial
hits from the fantastic shooting (once again) of HMS Norfolk summarily
destroyed the forward director and its radar, thereby dooming the ship
(I am not certain if the aft director had a radar, and if/how this was