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what film is this?
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on 11/27/2008 1:26 AM snipped-for-privacy@some.domain said the following:
It is the sound track of "Star Wars" where the good guys are attacking the Death Star, dubbed with the video from the WWII British Film "633 Squadron" attacking a German rocket fuel plant in Norway. Pretty good job of editing..
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snipped-for-privacy@some.domain said the following on 27/11/2008 06:26:
They get everywhere. There's two of them shooting and firing rockets at Von Ryan's Express.
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That was really funny. First good laugh I've had all day.
To answer your query ... yes that does look like an Me-108.
Unlike the allies after the war ... there were not many ( if any ) flyable German Luftwaffe fighter survivors.
I would imagine at the time this film was made ... the closest thing they could come to for a German fighter was an Me-108.
One thing that always drives me crazy about post war British films is they would use Hispano ME-109's that were equipped with Merlin engines ... instead of the original Daimler-Benz engines.
But ... those were the only flyable 109 types available for those movies.
Chris
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Wow. Great work. And, yes, I did think he ripped off Dambusters, after watching that film.
The Wiki entry for 633 Squadron includes a citation that Lucas has credited this film for inspiring that scene.
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About thirty-five years ago, I was laying on the beach at Plum Island, near Newburyport, Mass., and heard a small plane going overhead. I opened my eyes - only to see an Me-108 in full camouflage with German crosses cruising along the beach at about a thousand feet.
Later that day, heading off the island to get something to eat with the kids, we passed a small airport and, sticking out from behind a hangar, saw the tail of said plane.
I immediately went into the airport and found a relatively small-scale workshop in the process of reconstructing/refurbishing/renovating four or five historic planes. I was told there that the Me-108 belonged to actor Cliff Robertson and had been rebuilt to his specs for possible use in movies, as well as for his own use.
Andy
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One thing that always drives me crazy about post war British films is they would use Hispano ME-109's that were equipped with Merlin engines ... instead of the original Daimler-Benz engines.
I really don't see how you can make that complaint. Firstly the only film that I can recall using Spanish 109s is The Battle of Britain which has got to be the best WWII air combat film in terms of flying sequences. They needed the permission of the SPanish airforce to provide the aircraft and to my knowledge they have not appeared in any other film.
As the OP points out, it is the 108 that is mostly used.
And the US film makers were doing better - using Harvards and Valiants for Zeros and Vals (Tora, Tora, Tora).
TTT was a great film by the way, I love it, but in terms of aircraft authenticity, the use of Spanish 109s is 100s of times more accurate.
I really can't understand your complaint about a film that has the most accurate portrayal of massed axis aircraft.
Cheers,
Nigel
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What's weirder is that after that movie was made, another house made "Eagles Over London", in which they painted Hispanos as Spitfires and used scale model Spitfires as Messerschmitts!
The Hispanos were used again in "Piece of Cake", "Memphis Belle" and other movies and TV shows.
Stephen "FPilot" Bierce/IPMS #35922
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Okay ... maybe I went a little overboard.
I just think Espanio Me-109's are UGLY.
Comparing Tora Tora Tora and Battle of Britain ... is like comparing apples to apples.
Both movies were made about the same time ... and both had to scrounge up aircraft to simulate real aircraft in the battles recreated.
But hey ... Tora Tora Tora has a Tomato rating of 71 %.
So there ... Ha !
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Hey ... check this out ... a reconditioned BF-109. Nice to hear that Daimler Benz engine !
Chris
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Stephen Bierce wrote: : : What's weirder is that after that movie was made, another house made : "Eagles Over London", in which they painted Hispanos as Spitfires and used : scale model Spitfires as Messerschmitts! : That still beats "Iron Turkey", where they used F-4's as the "bad guy", and Kfir(?) as the aircraft for the good guys.
Or the use of M-48's (?) in "Battleground" for the German tanks, and Chaffee's for the US tanks. Sigh. Telly Sevalis was a real disappointment in that mess.
Bruce
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I haven't seen Battleground (a much earlier film) , but I think you're thinking of "Battle of the Bulge" with M-24 Chaffees as Shermans and M-47 Patton's for the King Tigers. An entertaining film for a young teenager, but not historically accurate except in very broad detail.
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Alan Dicey wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@posted.plusnet:
Actually in Battleground (the Van Johnson movie) the only tank I remember offhand was a M-18 Hellcat.
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Alan Dicey wrote: : : I haven't seen Battleground (a much earlier film) , but I think you're : thinking of "Battle of the Bulge" with M-24 Chaffees as Shermans and : M-47 Patton's for the King Tigers. An entertaining film for a young : teenager, but not historically accurate except in very broad detail. : Yes, you all are correct. "Battleground" actually isn't a bad film. "Battle of the Bulge", with Henry Fonda, on the other hand ...
Bruce
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I'm not a tank guy but I believe those Tigers were M41 Walker Bulldogs. ISTR that the West German Bundesheer was supplied many of those and probably hired out for the movie.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
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I don't care which aircraft were used in these various films....
All I know is that I still get pissed off when I see those three "Japanese" SBD's bombing Pearl Harbor - probably the most overused and abused film clip in Hollywood history!
Andy
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Various web sites seem to agree that the tank battles were filmed in Spain using Spanish army M47 and M24 tanks - the "American" Chaffees are even painted in Spanish army camouflage.
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Obviously I must watch it again. If not this movie, I wonder which one I'm remembering?
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
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If I remember correctly, the first time I saw that clip misused was in the original Victory at Sea, when it first played on television - sometime during the Fifties.
Andy
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Many documentaries on the Pacific War use that footage from John Ford's "Pearl Harbor". I think it was also in "Winds of War", "War & Remembrance", and just about any video that was made about the Commerative (ex-Confederate) Air Force's "Tora Tora Tora" airshow act. I know because I have about eight of those videos and it's in all of them. (They also include footage of a KC-97 tanker getting dismembered in a scrap yard, to explain why they started the organization and their search for historic aircraft to restore and fly.)
Stephen "FPilot" Bierce/IPMS #35922
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i believe victory at sea was all real footage. i think that was a highlight? or maybe i'm senile....