Funny, when I post something similar to this I get attacked by Mr.
Newton who calls me crybaby and censor.
And Curt-ass is so fired up by now that he is happily having
conversations with himself using all those names he created. I checked
the headers and found at least 3 names pointing back to him. I did
contact google-groups but they were not much help (as they don't
consider his posts SPAM). Too bad...
I've been using Agent for several years now. I tried the free version
and then bought the upgrade for the e-mail features. Very easy to set
up Kill Files for both e-mail and newsgroups. And it takes about 5
seconds to munge your return address to foil harvest bots.
All in all, I highly recommend it.
Cancel messages are actually very, very easy to send from some mail
clients. Also very easy to figure out how to do, but I'm not going to
describe it here because there's no telling what the local idiot here
would start doing (email me via my web site if you wish).
There is also the very real issue that many, many news servers no longer
honour cancel messages. We have a regional group where I live that has
had a number of lunatic trolls like speeddemon curt and also a large
number of off topic for sale posts that violate the group charter. The
local university which for many years (80s, early 90s) was the main if
not the only carrier of this group serves as a "sort of" moderator and
cancels all posts from certain users. For a long time, this worked just
fine, but round about 2000, a lot of ISPs simply stopped applying cancel
messages. Now, in the aforementioned local group, depending on the ISP,
some participants thankfully no longer see the offending posts, while
other poor souls still do and carry on responding. Again, the
university admin has some means of easily sending cancel messages and
often kills whole threads.
In any event, the chicken little event *is* occurring, albeit slowly,
and it is evidenced by major ISPs dropping usenet altogether. The above
mentioned university admin, who's been involved with internet policy and
set up since the late 70s or early 80s tells me a part of the tendancy
has to do with users getting into major trouble and ISPs being flooded
with complaints and even suits. So morons like this Curt do have
effects. It's felt that moderated web forums can be better controlled,
ie, the responsibility of the user who puts it together.
Very sad, in my opinion, as usenet was for many years a wonderful tool
and communication medium and still is.
But what is unfortunate in this group is that there are so many people
who just can't ignore him. This makes kill files ineffective. I would
guess that 75% of the posts I've read here since I began lurking for
information for my armoured Polish train project is directly related to
one person's trolling and his "flock" of respondants who just don't
understand that posters of his sort thrive on negative attention.
I wouldn't, but it's a fact that many of the old timers here have chosen
to no longer contribute because of the loser mentality displayed by the
current crop of posters. The turning point was 9/11. The political
discussion after that, and the rationale displayed by these political losers
that are still with us today, was that "there are more important things in
life then model railroading" (true enough) "I want to talk about world
politcs here" (that's not appropriate and never has been) "and you can't
stop me" (immaturity at it's best).
Um, yeah. That's what I said.
There's no such thing as true free speech on the internet and never has
been. You have as much free speech on here as your ISP allows, and that's
the truth. That's what I said that r.m.r is "as-close-to free speech" as
one can get on the internet.
The only problem is that the Trolls keep inventing new identities, and
the losers who respond to them have actually made good RR posts in the
past...so if I killfile them, I might miss out on something good. But it's
getting to the point where they are more noise then signal...
Paul A Cutler III
Deputy Sheriff, r.m.r
Weather Or No Go New Haven
I feel your pain, Howard. I've considered doing the same myself,
which is quite unfortunate. I only read 3 groups on Usenet, but on this
one and one of the other two the S/N ratio has become so bad that they
are barely worth reading. I keep hanging in there and hoping for things
to improve, and I try to set my own example by just ignoring the trolls
and skipping the flame wars, but sometimes it hardly seems worth the
trouble to download the latest batch of messages.
I've just added several posters to my killfile Rick and already the
newsgroup looks a lot better, I am aware that I mite have also killfiled
some posters that did contribute to this NG but they continue to reply to
trolls and therefore I still saw the trollposts.
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:30:12 +0100, I said, "Pick a card, any card"
and "Jan\(Bouli\)Van Gerwen"
I, and I'm sure others, can appreciate your frustration over this
matter but when you do what you did here, you give support to those
trolls. Their only goal is to disrupt a newsgroup and shut it down
if they can. To them, that's fun. They aren't the least bit
interested in building anything, much less a miniature railroad
empire. All they want to do is destroy. Your statement gives them
another notch in their hammer.
Your newsreader can kill either by author or thread topic. Why not
simply avoid the threads you see that have been usurped by the
idiots instead of killing those who reply to the trolls? After all,
some of the trolls have been getting rather personal in their
attacks. Who can really blame some of the respondents? I have been
around Usenet long enough to resist the temptation to reply to a
troll unless I do it for some humorous purpose.
I've seen folk here leaving the newsgroup in disgust, declaring that
they have huge kill files and basically contributing never ending
posts like this where you declare yourself above the fray but are
actually smack-dab in the middle of it. All of these things grant
victory to the very trolls you wish to defeat. Every time you and
others react to them like this, they're doing virtual "high fives."
The only answer to trolls is silence to their taunts. No reply at
all is the poison that will send them to another newsgroup. There
are three real trolls at work here. Let them argue among themselves
without an audience and see how fast they move on. We'll "high five"
about their leaving later.
CovvTseTung pinched out a steaming pile
HA! You think McCain will win? Rudy is no great shakes either.
Now John Edwards...that guy is got what it takes to pull 'merica back
from being Most Hated nation...