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I am not 100% sure Froggy, but I think you might be thinking about Apple Printers - Apple in the early days had their printers made by Canon, then later on switched to HP.

I haven't owned a Canon printer, tho last week I had a Canon Multi thingo (MP 190?) here for testing for a friend (it wouldn't print for my friend). The test prints I did with it were very nice, and it was pretty fast - it was a bit faster than my HP, but the HP was driven by my 200mhz Mac, and the Canon was connected to my 2.6 gighz Windows comp so not a fair comparison. I thought the print quality was comparable, but I didn't print out any photos.

David

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Apple inkjets were made by Canon; Lasers by HP. Towards the end of Apple printer sales, the inkjets were also made by HP, but only for a short period of time.

If I remember correctly the early hp laserjet print engines were built or designed by canon. Kinda like having a honda designed engine in a gm.

Richard

QuietDavid wrote:

Some of them use the same print cartridges as Lexmark (IBM brand).

The only trouble I hav with them is the price of teh ink cartridges!!!

I've got 4 HP printers, all still working like champs. LaserJet III (circa

1990) still chugging along (40,000+ pages), DeskJet 1120 (got it in 1998) keeps on working, wife uses a 932 all the time, and my latest, Business Inkjet 2230 has printed over 12,000 pages, many of them large color images, in just over a year's use. Note that the machines that keep on ticking are business class items. The cheap home oriented ones won't hold up - by the time you've spent as much on replacement ink as the machine cost, it probably is time to replace it. Same for Canons, Lexmarks, Epsons. They all see the home market as a disposable market.

For those concerned about ink cost - if you print that much, look for the higher end machines that use larger, separate tanks for each color. You'll make up in ink savings the extra cost of the printer, and the printer will last longer as well.

Val

Wow, such mis information...

NO, HP Printers are NOT re-labeles Canons.

NO, HP Printers and Lexmark printers DO NOT use the same cartridges.

I agree with you there Paul, tho it is the same with many other printers. Lately, it seems you can buy a whole new printer, for only a dollar or two more than the cartridges!!

David - who th> The only trouble I hav with them is the price of teh ink cartridges!!! >

That must be Lexmark's strategy! I bought a Z-31 that cost $39.95 and came with a set of cartridges. A replacement set of cartridges cost $50.00 for remanufactured!

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I have an HP, Compaq and Lexmark printer. All three take exactly the same cartridges. Sanyo also takes the same carteidges.

But some OLD Lexmark, Canon, and IBM inkjets shared the same cartridges. On the Business printing side of the house. The IBMs were relabeled Lexmark's and the Canon shared the same Tech, but not the case.

Art

Oops, Too late. You can already have a color LaserJet for free! All you have to be able to do is buy a fixed amount of Ink per month on a 2 year contract. BTW: The black ink cartridges are free as well as the printer. And you must like the Tektronix Phaser line of printers.

Unless Lexmark changed their policy in the last year, the cartridges that came with the printer are the "Lite" cartridges, the replacement ones you buy have twice the ink.

Well, I know that the Compaq and Sanyo are made by Lexmark, but I have never heard of an HP that uses the same cartridge as a Lexmark. What are the models of those two.

Lexmark is the spinoff company of IBM's printer/typewriter lines. So, Lexmak = IBM.

Don't know about Canon ever sharing anything in common with other marks, but in late 90's Compaq sold some low-end relabled printers, either Epsons or Canons.

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But some OLD Lexmark, Canon, and IBM inkjets shared the same cartridges. On the Business printing side of the house. The IBMs were relabeled Lexmark's and the Canon shared the same Tech, but not the case.

Art

For ages, Canon made the internals of HP laser printers, and they took the same toner cartridges. And the Canon toner cartridges were usually cheaper by a good bit. Not sure if this is still the case with current models, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Kevin Rhodes

This is exactly the case - I used to wrok for Staples back in the mid 90's. Even then, at retail we made more profit on a single $29 ink cartridge than we made on the $400 printer it went into. Now that you can get a decent printer for $50, I would assume that the manufacturers are actually losing money on the printers. This is also why the printer manufacturers are going to ink cartridges that have copyrightable software in them - you HAVE to buy the cartridge from them! No generics possible.

Kevin Rhodes

Val,

You are quite correct. The Lexmark line is a spinoff of IBM. Many of the early IBM desktop laser printer did use a Canon 'engine'. Not sure of the HP line. When the Lexington plant was spun off, they took the 'low end' printers at the time(23xx impact, Optra laser series...) IBM kept the high end stuff, and both agreed not to invade each other's 'turf' for 5 years. Both are now competitors, but there has been 're-badged' Lexmark stuff sold by IBM. IIRC, the IBM NP12 laser printer is a re-badged Xerox machine, that was made for Xerox by who knows who!

Jim Bernier

VManes wrote:

Just as a recent reference point: in today SJ Mercury business section (maybe the best tech business section in the country), there is an article about HP: they had $12 BILLION revenue on printer supplies last year. And those are high profit revenues. That revenue on just printer supplies is greater than all of Oracle revenues, as a reference point.

Ed.

in article Tbyec.8636$ snipped-for-privacy@twister.nyroc.rr.com, Kevin Rhodes at snipped-for-privacy@ME.RR.com wrote on 4/12/04 8:02 AM: