Re: Flynn writes a naughty word, was: Station masters cottage - Helensburgh

I have an H0 brass factory painted Australian 4-6-4, believe it is a Class R, manufactured in the 60s by Kumata [KMT]. It is stylish and s well proportioned with cow-catcher and Belpaire firebox. With the exception of the small smoke-lifters, it could almost pass for something the Pennsy might have tried. Definitely a good-looking steam locomotive.

Ray Hobin NMRA Life # 1735; TCA # HR-78-12540; ARHS # 2421 Durham, NC [Where tobacco was king; now The City of Medicine]

I have an H0 brass factory painted Australian 4-6-4, believe it is a Class R, manufactured in the 60s by Kumata [KMT]. It is stylish and s well proportioned with cow-catcher and Belpaire firebox. With the exception of the small smoke-lifters, it could almost pass for something the Pennsy might have tried. Definitely a good-looking steam locomotive.

Ray Hobin NMRA Life # 1735; TCA # HR-78-12540; ARHS # 2421 Durham, NC [Where tobacco was king; now The City of Medicine]

Sorry, military short form slipped out... "Line Of Sight".

"quaint appearance", that is one way to describe them.

That one looks good, Mark, I can now say I have seen a sharp looking Australian Steam Locomotive. Thanks.

Poor Will, the 13's were a neat little loco perhaps not the most gorgeous loco but what really is. All depends what you were brought up on. At one time I would never have entertained the thought of having a US loco as I thought they were the most un-aesthetically pleasing loco's ever built. But things change and so do attitudes. So now how do I get away with running a C&O H-8, as one example which is gorgeous, along with my NSW locos. I know I'll make it an AD 63 class and come up with a you beaut reason for doing it. :)

Regards Charles Emerson Bellbird, NSW, Australia

In that respect I was fortunate. My father had extremely catholic taste in steam engines, as a result I was brought up on an extraordinary variety of steam locomotive types. So these days there is very little I don't find interesting. In some respects, I reckon the uglier, the better!

"Mr Jardine, you leave our flies alone......."

DPC James McInerney

STOP! In The Name Of The Lore!

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, homepage for "Lambing Flat" my HO NSWGR branchline, includes information on the full size NSWGR. the "Rurr Valley Railway", my G gauge West Coast of Tasmania garden line or for the family stuff!

Mark, Yes I now think that way but I do make exceptions in regards to anything with UP on the side especially after the Espee takeover. But steam is steam I do love most steam locos although there are a few only a mother could love ie: camelbacks, climaxes, shays, bigboys, and anything with G.W.R from pommyland.

regards Charles Emerson Bellbird, NSW, Australia

Very very good James, but a bit deep for rec.models.railroad me thinks.

Werris

Yeah, save the literary allusions for the mongrel toffs on aus.rail.models!

I don't know about the 1307 At Clyde Yard but I sure like the Lambing Flats locomotives. Like the scenery too..... looks a lot like where I live in Texas. Bruce

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literary allusions?

IIRC, it is what an okker on the SCG hill yelled at a certain English cricket captain in the early 1930s. Not really mongrel toffs stuff, more like drunken yobbo stuff!!

Newtons words. I never said US railroads are a stupid looking boring foreign prototype. This is another Mark Newton distortion. It is my opinion Mark Newtons chosen model is a stupid looking boring foreign prototype.

Will, you need to look at more Australian steam before making such a general statement, simply because many Australian locomotives are US designs. There are plenty of ugly locomotives, and North America has its fair share.

Neither do you expert, a week end coal shoveler. You are not old enough to have experienced the working conditions of 1955. Of course if you knew how to properly restore a NSW locomotive, you would know that Thow's design of side sheet were fitted with canvas curtains, designed to limit rain and wind into the cab. Unlike yourself, I was trained in steam fitting, inspection, testing and design, but instead of railway locomotives, it was steam ships. An efficient railroad would not need a head end brakeman's shelter.

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So there you have it. My US prototype is boring, box cars are boring, and my US prototype is a real dud, according to the World's Greatest Model Railroader.

It must be true.

What's this bullshit you're spinning now? Are you claiming that all the ugly Australian steam locos are of US design??????

So what are you saying, that the NKP was inefficient?

If that's the case, then it can hardly be:

"boring, from a prototype and a design point of view".

You were pontificating elsewhere that:

"In fact it is the inefficient railway which makes the most interesting subjects to model."

So which is it? Can you resolve your own contradiction?

Further, you proclaim that :

"Efficient railways have standardised locomotives and equipment. This results in lack of prototype variety."

So the NSWGR, which was an efficient railway, with standardised locomotives and equipment, can't be very interesting to model, if your opinions have any weight.

How do you reconcile these contradictory views?

So far you don't have any argument that say's any different.

Yes, he was fond of flogging - remind you of anyone?