Gorre and Daphetid

RMC December 1980 had the track plan in it.

You might get it from the files sections here:

The "original" G&D appears as track plan # 17 in Kalmbach's "101 Track Plans" by Linn Westcott. They note that they had softened the radii up to

15" from the even worse originals. The original small layout was incorporated in the final G&D, and so more correct drawings show up as a portion of the complete final G&D track plan which appear in Kalmbach's "Model Railroading with John Allen" also by Linn Westcott. Contact me off line (remove the nospam) if you can't find these books elsewhere. Gary Q

I built it about twenty years ago and it was featured in Narrow Gauge Gazette twelve years ago. It scales out to be actually 7 foot X 3 1/2 feet with on inside loop radius 14 inches. My Grand Children have it now.

Are you just looking for a general schematic, such as what's presented in "101 Plans?" If so, I could scan it and e-mail it to you.

-- Bill McC.

Mike,

See Jeff's Gorre & Daphetid Tribute Page

Mike wrote: I decided I would like to build the, "Gorre and Daphetid", on a 4 x 8 plan. Where can one get the track plan without having to invest a fortune in an antique book or magazine?

--------------------------------------------------- I believe "101 Track Plans" by Linn Westcott has a variation of the G&D:

"Model Railroading with John Allen":

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plan. I traced it carefully off the monitor, upscaled it and I'm ready to GO! Thanks so much!!! Mike Picture Rocks, AZ

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (Michael P Gabriel) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:

Yikes! You did that the hard way. If you did a right click on the picture you would have popped up a menue. Choose "Save image as", or a simular instruction (changes from browser to browser) and you would have a copy of the picture on your local computer.

Alternatly (if the picture is part of the background or somthing) Press [Alt][print screen]. Then open up paintbrush and do an Edit-Paste. Cut out the part you realy want and move it into the corner. Then resize the image to get rid of everything else.

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Would you mind posting the link to where you found it? I'd like to see it.

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This may be a bit off-topic, but does everyone realize the true pronunciation? It's "Gory and Defeated!"

No matter how you pronounce it, it's still not as good a layout as it's made out to be.

The superlatives were applied because it was a huge leap forward from the normal standards of the day (c 1948)

EXACTLY!!! It was a great layout in 1948, and yet people still rave about it today!

A lot of us still work to 1948 standards ;-)

The raves are not for the layout as an item, they are for what Mr. Allen accomplished with the products that were available. He was an artist. I have the 5 part G&D Remembered from RMC 1980-81. In there it even states that the original layout was not not all that good, but that his last G&D layout was truly awesome. There is a photo on page 71 of the Dec. 1980 RMC that shows an overall view of part of the layout. The entire room was the layout. The scenery went from ceiling to floor. The ceiling was painted to represent sky. the floor was painted to compliment the scenery that met it. The trackplan was on 4 or 5 levels at this point. This is the work of art that everyone is impressed with.

Yes we DO!!!

No matter how you pronounce it, it's still not as good a layout as it's

Maybe there are better layouts today. but we have much better stuff than was around in the 40's 50's 60's and early 70's so think of it this way if he was building this today he would be biger and better than the F&SM or any other layout. this is just my Opinion and you know about those. as i say the F&SM and a few others have no equal today.

Paul

It's not the quality of the equipment that was so great about the layout although it was one of the really well operating layouts about but rather the quality of the scenery that really stood out. John Allen was a photographer and had the photographic eye for what is important in detailing. As a result, he built a layout in his basement that was outstanding for photography and operation. The original small tabletop layout was done in about '48 but the layout grew all through the '50s and into the '60s and the equipment occasionally got upgraded to match the era. As such, I'd more put the layout into the '60 timeframe for overall quality. Note that other builders have taken the same specs and built layouts of nice value but John's was the first to really take things out of the bland scenery and into the spectactular - layouts where the scenery was part of the whole layout rather than just a subordinate thing for the trains to pass through.

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In a week or so, I'll post some pictures of my interpretation of the original Gorre & Daphetid that was only 3 1/2 by 7 feet. I have some positive opinions about what was learned about that project and will state them at that time.