The BIG advantage for me on going digital was the reduction in size and
weight - my digital equivalent of 6kg of 35mm equipment weighs in at
just over 0.5kg in a package 20% the volume. The camera is only 2
megapixels, yet can turn out a 10 x 8 print with superb fine detail.
I used to e sceptical, but now I'm converted.
In message , Campingstoveman
Good grief how many photos do you take?
20,000,000,000 / 600,000 is more than 33,000!
Digital photography is good for ease of use on a computer but for use
like normal photograph it can get expensive. Good quality photopaper
isn't cheap neither are colour ink cartridges for a decent quality
The other snag is that the electronic sensors or the digitising
process cannot handle the same contrast ratio as totaly film based
system. Getting good digital images under conditions that film
wouldn't bat an eyelid at can be tricky. With film you have quite a
lot of latitude after exposure. With digits if the image isn't there
because it's above peak white or below black no amount of post
processing will recover an image.
The idea of Digital Photography to me is not to print onto paper unless I
enter a competition and that is required.
I maybe fortunate that I have a laptop and a DVD player but if I wish to
show friends they can see them through my television,or the above.
Club nights if I am presenting a piece then I have occasional access to a
As to size of hard drive as CCD's get better the size of a photo will rise
hence more space required and as to number of photo's taken, visiting a
steam rally in one day means I will take in excess of 200+ photo's. When I
go to Dorset I will take my card reader and Laptop to store all my pics.
99% of people I show my photographs too wouldn't spot the difference of
quality over film even if shown it.
A most interesting thread. I find digital especially useful for capturing
documents but my results are very variable. My best results seem to be using
a tripod set over the paper. on a dull background and with natural light
falling obliquely across the paper. What say you?
I do have my occassional good ideas then :-))
Never tried photographing documents as such but you seem to have it covered,
I use a monopod to support the camera as it is easier to use unless you let
it go of course.
Have you tried say a 100watt lamp close by as natural light can change by
Do you do a lot of document photography? I haven't done any at all since we got
the scanners, and must admit that the old light tent we used has probably gone
in the bin!
Take a white sheet and make a five-sided box with it over a frame of bamboo or
whatever. Light from four sides and on top with dichroic lights through white
About as shadowless as you can get, but as you intimate, it can be awkward
getting the lighting correct.
DWE used to admit to having terrible trouble with getting decent black and white
prints on a clear summer's day...
Peter & Rita Forbes
Engine pages for preservation info:
You really need a camera that you can put into complete manual mode,
not only exposure/aperture but also effective speed and, probably the
most important, white balance.
If you can't fix the white balance the camera will try to make the
"brightest" part of the image "white". End result is that every image
will have a different colour cast, even with the same controlled
lighting and exposure settings.
Documents will generally be on white paper this will confuse any
auto-exposure and it will under expose by a variable amount.
Ideally soft even lighting, see post about light tent, and manual
everything. White balance set on something white and exposure either
by trial and error (don't trust the LCD viewfinder) or an 18% gray
card and compensate the readings you get.
Not quite the same has handing round a buch of prints, everyone has
different tastes. One person one might find a given picture boring and
just pass over it, another person will be fascinated by the same
picture and want to look closely at it for a long time. Can't do that
with the communal aspect of a single TV.
HDs are getting cheaper and bigger by the day... 120Gig is not
Still over 165 days of rallies on that, small by todays standards,
20Gig HD... Though some means of back up is required, you don't really
want all your eggs in one basket.
The one thing I've found my digi camera invaluable for is recording
how things go together: when we went to Prague earlier this year we
bought a crystal chandelier. I didn't realise how we got it home until
they took it off display and started to dismantle it! I whipped the
camera out and the shots I took made reassembly an absolute doddle.
I'm sure the same would apply to an engine!
Brian L Dominic
Yep done that and another use is taking shots of things in shops to
show SWMBO'd what is available (light fittings, shelving) she has also
done the same for me (beds). Don't rely on the colour rendition
Both of the later pair of Sony Mavica cameras we bought have a video output
socket for direct connection to a TV or a USB port for PC monitor connection.
Only partially useful if you already have a monitor, but still handy.
The 'pixels race' doesn't mean necessarily 'better' pictures, rather that the
pictures you get could be better if they could be viewed at full resolution. We
have received a lot of stick over the years for putting up pictures at higher
than basic 640 X 480 resolution (VGA) on our website, but now with better modems
and broadband there is no problem, and most folks accept that it's worth the
wait for a decent picture.
I think we get 1280 X 1024 off the lower res cameras and 1600 X 1200 off the
other one. File sizes are 200K for the smaller and 512K for the larger, mainly
as Sony didn't use such high compression on the later cameras as they had Memory
Stick capability as well as the floppy disk drive, so storage became a
We have stocked up with Memory Sticks on our trips to the USA, and have 7 in
total which we split between the cameras. The later 256mb sticks are very useful
indeed and can take almost a full day's shooting unless you are really going
mad! We haven't used the floppy drives in any of the cameras, but it's there if
we need it.
We also take our laptop when we go to Portland, as we shoot 400+ images and can
have a quick editing/download session back at the motel each night, with a
reshoot of any that didn't come out well the next day.
A good site for anyone wanting to look at specifications etc is:
We found this very good indeed, especially as they keep the reviews of older
models on there.
Peter & Rita Forbes
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Yes to both, except that BB network work means I'm back to slow old
For website use I use a basic image size of of 320x240 compressed down
to 20k bytes or so. Viewing a site even at 64kbps ISDN, let alone at
lower analogue dialup rates that has "large" images is a pain. BB is
catching on but I think dialup still needs to be thought about for a
good few years yet.
I'm on Telewest Broadband - have been for about 18 months - and have found
it seamless and generally fault free. The e-mail facility falls over now and
again, but otherwise .......