After waiting 25 years since Lima's effort of producing an accurate
model of a Deltic we now have yet another botch up.
Looking at the 3 models on display at Warley last weekend - if we
start with all 3 locomotives displayed - no exhauster hatch door on
the 2nd mans side at no. 1 end - cannot believe that Bachman didn't
note this, even their reissued Farish N gauge model has this right.
On both the blue Deltic no eth cable on the nose end - I did ask staff
on the stand if these were going to be extra parts to fit - but no
came the answer.
On to the green loco - no sand box fillers, on the nose end or body
side, also no boiler filler on the body side next to the engine air
No brass plaques on the lower body side as per the Heljan Hymek.
Surely with 6 locos available to go and photograph and observe, never
mind working with the DPS these omissions should not have been over
looked. The attention to detail afforded Bachmann's unit range is
first class but when it comes to locomotives - well it leaves a lot to
be desired. (Class 44 no exhaust port on the roof!!)
Predicted new releases for 2005 - retooled 44, 45, 46, 55
You bought them once so you'll buy them again is probably the
But hey, if the manufacturers didn't make mistakes it would:
a) Mean there was nothing for you really serious anoraks to moan about;
b) Mean that there was no detailed modelling for you to do to bring the
models up to scratch.
Imagine that. A world where there was nothing for hardened railway
modellers to whinge about...
I'm beginning to wonder if we've reached the point where the RTR finish
of many new models is so good that purchasers are too cautious to modify
(and not price as such). I'd personally stick on new bits if necessary,
but something akin to the old Lima 117 to 121 conversion would worry me
a lot more. Would there be a market for new Crownline or Craftsman-type
Good point buddy, but you go don't to your local car showroom and tell me
how you'd feel if you wanted a Mercedes and they tried selling you something
that looked like a Mini, or indeed if the fuffing thing didn't work
properly. Wouldn't you winge a bit???
I don't see any difference.
the difference Between a Faulty Mercades and a faulty Bachamnn 37xx, about
No I too would not be happy with a faulty Merc !
So does that mean that all these youngsters who tart and alter their cars
up, you know, add rear spoilers, wider wheel arches, disco voloume sound
system etc etc.
Are these people really modellers in the same boat as ourselves, not able to
get the right product from the car manfatures, well at least its not just us
We bought them once, so we'll buy them again.....??? That's where the
manufacturers score and win.
I comprehend the sales logic but not the sensibility of buying something
which somebody may not be happy with because of its approximation to the
prototype....but it'll do because everybody else is buying it/them.
If people are happy and want to believe that what they've bought is
*something* like what it should be, but isn't, then that is their choice.
Brian is quite right that Bachmann have missed the opportunity to
produce the definitive r-t-r Deltic. I have only seen photos and am
able to list a number of errors noticed on the close-up of Bachmann's
55020 posted at
Starting with the bodywork, the general profile appears to be very
accurate, but there are a few detail errors:
1) The edge where the windscreen surround meets the roof is too
rounded and this noticeably affects the region at which this surround
merges into the side of the nose.
2) The front lower corner of the cab-side window is too small in
3) The works-plate is wrongly positioned, unless it was moved at some
point in the life of "Nimbus".
4) The buffer shanks are much too thin, although it would not be
practical to be precisely accurate with sprung buffers of this scale.
5) The buffer guide-tubes completely lack detail.
6) Detail around the edges of engine-room roof sections lack accuracy.
7) Fan-grille rims are too deep.
8) The model's body side panels are smooth!
Next, the bogies, as also observed on Bachmann's class 37 (cast-framed
1) The towing brackets are missing (as sometimes seen on class 37s),
but what is represented on the model does not resemble the mounting
point minus bracket.
2) The brake cylinders have an inaccurately modelled flange at one end
and lack the mounting bracket flange at the other end (although class
37s did have variations of this cylinder design).
3) The axlebox retainers for the centre axles should be much thicker.
4) The embossed writing is missing from the axleboxes.
5) Some of the side contours of the bogie-frame (around the lifting
brackets and near the front and rear corners of the frame) are not
6) The recess contours above each axlebox are included. However, these
should be symmetrical only for the centre axle, not all three as on
7) The springs are not well modelled (Lima's class 37 bogies had
better looking springs).
8) The guide-brackets for the brake blocks are missing (Lima's class
37 had the equivalent brackets on its fabricated-frame bogies).
9) The milometer and speedo connections are missing from the
appropriate axleboxes, although these might not be practical/economic
on a ready-to-run model.
10) The bogie lifting brackets have incorrect proportions and lack the
side gussets and central detail.
11) The profile of the bogie side-frame is not accurate. The parallel
sections between the axles should have greater depth and the area
around each axlebox guide is the wrong shape.
12) The top edge of the equalising beams should be straighter and
hence losing the symmetry of Bachmann's model. The entire length of
these beams should also be shallower.
13) The mounting brackets for the rear brake-hangers are the wrong
14) Turning now to the fabricated-frame bogies that Bachmann have
produced, these depict the version with cast head/tail-stocks and
hence would not be correct for an early version of a Deltic (but
correct for D9000 in its current guise).
The cab-steps had not been fitted to the model in the above-mentioned
photo, so I can't review that detail. The general shape of Bachmann's
Deltic captures the character of the loco better than most of the
larger scale offerings, but there is plenty of scope for improvements.
I would think so particularly if the kits were sold in parts eg 2
packs of missing bits and 2 packs of replacement parts, one of each
being parts easilly changed/added and the othr requiring major surgery
or extreme care. Then the customer can decide how accurate they want a
model compared to their confidence/skill in undertaking the upgrade.
Was anyone else put off a Crownline detail kit simply due to the
quantity, and resultant cost of part, that were not wanted.
What is so frustrating with ALL the manufacturers is that they have ALL the
information available to them....they do have research and developement
Retailers need not reply in a defensive manner but an open manner would be
'Twas Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:40:22 -0000, when "Enzo Matrix"
decided to declare:
I "Steve hates the styling of the current Corsa, so he set about
modifications to bring it more in line with his taste"
Which begs the question: Why not buy a car you like the look of in the
STOP PRESS - Microsoft buys Electrolux and finally manage to produce
something that doesn't suck...
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