: > Anyone have a good ldea where I can get Boats and Ships in
OO/HO for a
: > Dawlish wall scene?
: Airfix (or might have been Revell) used to do a lovely 'costal
: 1/72. Just the right size for a small harbour. Sadly mine was
: target practice....
How about a RNLI life boat or perhaps a (decommissioned and
adapted...) Vosper Motor Torpedo Boat, both Airfix, or perhaps a
1:72 Sunseeker "Predator 108" Yacht by Revell, depending on the
era of the layout?
Are you sure that it was 1/72? and not 1/130.
The description sounds like the FROG models SHELL WELDER which was
often used as you say in harbour scenes sometimes kit bashed a bit.
FROG has long gone but the model has lived on in various forms and
ISTR that Revell did have their name on it at one time. Latest
incarnation seems to be from the Russian Novo brand as described here.
: Your right, it was the Frog (now there's a blast from the
Once owned by Rovex IIRC, or was it who ever owned
(Triang-)Hornby Railways after the Rovex collapse, distinctly
remember the range being included in back of a (Triang-)Hornby
catalogue in the mid '70s.
The late Peter Swan who modelled O-scale used to be a director at
Matchbox, and he said that was why their models were a mixture of
scales. Having only one size of box kept costs down keeping the
product inside a pocket money budget.
"Christopher A. Lee" wrote
product inside a pocket money budget.
Someone wants to remind Hornby, and to a lesser extent Bachmann, that a
universal box size keeps costs down & allows retailers to display models
: > Having only one size of box kept costs down keeping the
: product inside a pocket money budget.
: Someone wants to remind Hornby, and to a lesser extent
Bachmann, that a
: universal box size keeps costs down & allows retailers to
: more easily.
But the reverse can also be the case John, for example a scale
70ft coach takes up more space than a scale 57ft coach, the
difference can add up, maybe even to allowing for an extra wagon
or even coach to be exhibited on the shelf.
The same arguments apply, and probably more critically to,
warehousing and transportation, the space saved in a ISO shipping
container by not transporting fresh air or packing foam can mean
the difference between a second container being needed or not. No
manufacture is going to go away from a 'standard' box size unless
there is a cost saving.
Consider if you would the Hornby 'Skaledale' range, reduced in size to suit
N-scale and renamed 'Lyddle End'. A quick examination of our shelves shows
at least a dozen differing box sizes. Now to me any potential saving in
volume by such variable sizing must be offset ten fold by the cost of
producing so many different boxes.
Looking at the 'new' Bachmann packaging for locos. Each of the three
different size boxes used (and I can see the logic here as the varience in
loco size is considerable) is supplied with an outer sleeve, each
individually printed with the loco class. I wonder who is meeting the extra
cost incurred in this extravagence, compared with a standard sleeve.
: > manufacture is going to go away from a 'standard' box size
: > there is a cost saving.
: Consider if you would the Hornby 'Skaledale' range, reduced in
size to suit
: N-scale and renamed 'Lyddle End'. A quick examination of our
: at least a dozen differing box sizes. Now to me any potential
: volume by such variable sizing must be offset ten fold by the
: producing so many different boxes.
Only in Guillotine use, the art work still needs to be designed
and printed and one might actually find that more (smaller) boxes
can be obtained from the same amount of card, IOW the wastage is
: Looking at the 'new' Bachmann packaging for locos. Each of the
: different size boxes used (and I can see the logic here as the
: loco size is considerable) is supplied with an outer sleeve,
: individually printed with the loco class. I wonder who is
meeting the extra
: cost incurred in this extravagence, compared with a standard
We are, the end user customer, have you asked your customers is
they like having such information on the packaging or would
prefer the old style self adhesive label stuck to the opening
flap on one end of the box?
The box size was the reason Matchbox toys were such a mixture of
scales. It didn't matter for their intended market. The late
Peter Swan who was a director of the company told me that this kept
the price in the pocket money range.
The frase "Large coastal freighter" made me laugh. This model is 558mm
long on H0. Means 48.5m in real life. The model is a typical year 50's
small coaster, normally trading around Western Europe. Even in de 50's
50 meter was definitely not large.
To all fellow modelers: for our standards ships are huge. An ordinary
vessel (nowadays standerds) is 100 meter or more. Big ones are 300m.
Even in my scale (Z = 1:220) a 110 meter vessel is half a meter. So
unless you have plenty of room, or go to an ancient era, when there were
no railroads, it is difficult to work to scale.
I priced up some boxes, with company logo printed on, a while back. At
the volumes Hornby would be buying they would achieve little or no
benefit from one standard size box. Indeed, if a standard box meant that
many boxes were effectively half full of air then transport costs would
easily out-weigh any extra cost. A half-pallet to Russia costs £245.00
(plus VAT!), a full pallet costs £395.00 (plus VAT) for example, so
sending a pallet half full of air is extremely expensive! Getting the
packaging/artwork right can make or break a product, it's part of the
whole product strategy, not just an after-thought.
I'll also bet that the size of boxes is carefully calculated to get as
many as possible (based on their experience of typical orders) into a
standard size large shipping cardboard box.
I came across this at Royal Doulton. We were unloading thousands of boxes
of Czech crystal from containers, re-packing, and putting them back into
another container. We were doing this because the 30% more re-packed
boxes in the container (going to the US) represented the profit for the
whole shipment apparently!