BR MK1 coach roundels...

"Paddy Coleman" wrote

The roundell was not carried throughout the life of these coaches in the liveries stated.

John.

This is correct. The roundel was only intended to be applied to coaches on front line express trains. In the early days, attempts were made to assemble complete sets with roundels. Needless to say this practice didn't last long. Only a small proportion of the Mk1 maroon and green coaches ever received it, whereas a relatively larger percentage of chocolate and cream coaches had the roundel. Apparently the coach roundel came in both left facing and right facing versions, although it is not at all clear which was supposed to be used where on coaches. Indeed I have yet to find a photo of a right facing roundel. After 1960 only the (heraldically correct) left facing version was used, and even that appeared to fall out of use pretty soon thereafter.

David

Hi all,

Southern green coaches only had the roundel for use on the Royal Wessex (a very small number had it applied for standby use or possibly by mistake). Bachmann/Farish are therefore correct in not placing the roundel on their green coaches for 99.9% of their usage. RTR manufacturers have often applied roundels indiscriminatley, presumably to catch the ey of the buying public.

Tony Comber

I remember in the early sixties travelling on green SR coaches added to the York-Bournemouth train at Sheffield. I don't recollect them having roundels - which as you say is probably correct.

However, the Devonian from Bradford to Paignton had WR chocolate and cream coaches, presumably with roundels.

Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to thank you for clarifying this. It is good to know that Bach/GF are correct in the application of the roundel.

All the best

Paddy

And Blood and Custard didn't carry them at all!

Notice also that the RMB (buffet coach) also never appeared in Blood and Custard, except in preservation days...!

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