Heljan 'Clayton' Class 17s

Should nicely match the haulage capacity of the prototype, then...

Tim

Ordered one last year, am awaiting delivery with baited breath! Badger.

I thought baiting Badgers was illegal?

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Surely they should have been fitted from the inside of the cab?

Which one's of the 7 or 8 offered are beginning to trickle through to suppliers?

"kim" wrote

I think the externally fitted glazing is an attempt to represent the heavy framing of the originals. I don't think it looks bad at all.

John.

"traction" wrote

From memory catalogue numbers 17021 & 17051 - both BR blue, one with 'D' removed from number.

John.

One of these looks like like a Clayton to me and one them looks like a toy:

Judith-Edge kit:

Yes, unweathered RTR models generally do look like shiny toys, that's why some modellers like to improve them with weathering etc.

Fred X

On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 07:57:57 +0100, "John Turner" said in :

I'm inclined to agree. However, as a diesel n00b, how would I know whether I wanted the large or the small yellow panel on a green one? Is there a history of BR diesel liveries on the wibble somewhere that people can recommend as tolerably accurate?

Back in the day I had whole books of photos and paintings of military uniforms from a single army and a single conflict. I hope it's not that complex!

Guy

Best I can offer on this -

Mike

There are vast numbers of photo galleries on the web, many of them have the date of picture. So, you could google the running number and probably find a photo of the loco with a date.

Another source is good-old Wikipedia :-)

Crudely put, the original liveries were minus the yellow panels. The yellow arrived by the mid 60's as a safety warning device, and is still around in the paint rule book today. Blue started a bit later... Any colour you like from mid 90's.

- Nigel

"Nigel Cliffe" wrote

Small yellow panels were introduced c. 1963 and these increased to full yellow fronts by 1966/7. First blue liveried locos (excluding the Experimental XP64 loco and stock) appeared from 1965 onwards. The 'D' loco number pre-fix for diesels was progressively abandoned from the end of steam in August 1968. TOPS numbering commenced around 1972/3, with the Woodhead electrics being the first to be renumbered.

Class 17s had small yellow panels from new (if my memory serves me correctly).

John.

There is a technical answer to that question. Which one looks nicest? :-) That type of early diesel can only be green with a small panel because they just look wrong in blue!

Or, for accurate representation of the prototype, green and slightly charred.

Fixed!

See here:

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