Just having a lok round the Hattons site and saw the Pendolino. I must
say that even though Hornby said it would not be a 'serious' model, it
does look loads better then the Dapol version. That's not saying very
much though is it?
Does anyone know if it convertible to P4 easily? I know it's only been
out for five minutes so it might be a long shot.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to send all my stock back as not fit for purpose.
Glad it's not just me that's critical of some of Hornby's recent efforts.
Fancy installing a DCC decoder that will not readily work with other DCC
systems, especially when Hornby have claimed they are NMRA compliant!
"Fred X" wrote in
I'm confused, was he reviewing the model or the real thing? Pendolinos =
"sh one t on wheels" as far as I'm concerned and that's even allowing for
the fact that my expense account lets me travel fairly comfortably.
"Virgin ... never again" - my words but they're welcome to use them in
their next advertising drive.
Thanks for that. Looks like Hornby has a job on its hands there. Hope
the new Grid is a better bet. Shame about the Pendo though, they had
the opportunity to pick the ball when Dapol dropped it big time. Seems
to make the Dapol version sound good.
Here's to future versions.
Fred X wrote:
One of the problems suggested in the article is a lack of powered axles.
If the lack of powered axles is the problem, and you really wanted an
operational one of these, couldn't you tear out the Hornby mechanism and
install something like this:
would also have a bit of space to add whatever weight you want in
order to increase pulling ability. Or, for that matter, throw a few under
intermediate coaches so that several bogies are powered.
It does of course mean adding some bit of complexity to that DCC bit....
Of course, if non-powered power cars become available separately, this
procedure probably becomes quite a bit less expensive as there is no
Hornby mechanism to remove in the first place.
John Turner said the following on 27/03/2007 20:02:
This goes back to an earlier DCC thread regarding compatibility. Not
that I have any inclination to buy one of these, but if I had a ZTC or
Lenz DCC setup and I bought a Hornby Pendolino, surely I should expect
it to be compatible? Especially if Hornby say it's NMRA compliant.
I think sending your stock back sounds a good business move!
Right, so when I buy my next car should I expect to have to replace the
If Hornby can't (or more precisely won't) make a Pendolino power car which
is capable of hauling a realistic length train then can stuff it.
If they can't fit an NMRA compliant &/or compatible decoder they can stuff
it a second time.
So if the thing will not pull the correct number of coaches why model them?
Ask or not, I'm going to try and explain.
It seems that Hornby's promise of NMRA compliance is at variance with the
reality. The 'standard' states that one should be able to use any
manufacturers equipment with any others. The Hornby decoders do not seem to
want to work with other manufacturers command centres.
Now that seem to me to be particularly stupid. Who is going to buy a Hornby
decoder fitted loco if it will not work with that potential purchaser's
existing equipment? Or are you suggesting that someone with a Lenz or other
DCC system should also have to buy a Hornby one to make their train work?
Mostly I agree with this, but unless you are a collector of stationary
models, enjoying the hobby means getting trains that will run.
Not buying something means it isn't going to run on your railway.
Unfortunately, there is enough low quality garbage out there that
Northwest Short Line (the company that makes those neat little HO/OO
repowering units) does a fair amount of business in the USA by making
repowering kits. Certainly if possible it would be nice to send a nice
message to the manufacturer, like you are doing, that cheaply made junk
If, however, you must have a model, repowering resources are available.
The far more fundamental problem is that the Hornby decoder doesn't
even work properly even with the Hornby select. The decoder does not
support reading back from it, regardless of the manufacturer of the
command station. The select was designed with this in mind and so
doesn't give an error when there's no reply from the decoder. You can
actually program the decoder with other system but you have to do it
blind and ignore any error messages, assuming the system lets you do
email@example.com said the following on 29/03/2007 09:15:
It sounds to me that if was to consider going DCC, I should just forget
the Hornby system altogether. Which means I wouldn't want to be buying
a DCC Ready loco. (Sorry - Hornby's "DCC Ready" doesn't actually mean
that. What do they call a loco with a chip installed? "Really DCC Ready"?)
I'll try again here....
Hornby made a business decision to produce a low cost pendalino for the
train set market.
Your complaing that it wont do what you want it to.
But your requirements dont match hornby consider to be those of the trainset
so you are not in the target customer base.
I'm also disappointed with it, its definately a missed opportunity - the
prototype never had lms red, doesnt have a boiler, doesnt run on coal.
But then hornby never promised it would. So not really complaining.
I hope someone will correct me but am fairly sure the standard doesnt say
that at all. The standard defines how decoders and controllers interact,
however there are more than one method and they are not all mandatory.
Hornby have implemented a more recent method that some manufacturers
controllers have yet to include.
So Hornby are correct when they say they are NMRA compliant and so now the
discussion may move on to how standards evolve and how important it is to
implement legacy features and methods.
However this is a budget (very very cheap) decoder and again a business
decision has been made as to who are the target customer base and what
controllers they are likely to have.
Nope am suggesting that you get what you pay for. The current hornby decoder
is a budget one that provides basic features wanted by people that pay
Hornby has stated that there will be a loco without a decoder in response to
customer demand. Wasnt that good ! They made a desicion, customers said no,
so hornby changed it !
Are you sure Lenz dont work with Hornby decoders ?
How is this a fundamental problem, most manufacturers would call it a
feature ! Is it a requirement of NMRA standards that a decoder should
implement that feature, cos if not then it may be argued that the other
controllers are incorrect in describing this as an error !
Its a low feature decoder at a low price for people that want that !
"John Turner" wrote You might want to take a look at:-
If it lives up to promise then this could be VERY good.
My only reservation is that the plastic looks a little "tacky" in
appearance, I just hope I'm proved wrong. Not sure why I get that feeling,
maybe it is just the colour choice, or the clear plastic area (for the infra
red beam) at the top ?
What are others first impression ?
"Andy Sollis CVMRD" wrote
Agreed, but as someone who has been using the extremely tacky-looking Lenz
Compact for the last couple of years I've come to realise that visual
appearances are not everything.
GBP90.00 for wireless control + DCC command centre with all the features
listed sounds incredibly good value for money.
I like this bit:-
< quote >
E-Z Command Dynamis has been designed to be compliant to NMRA standards
E-Z Command Dynamis will work with DCC decoders that comply with NMRA DCC
standards, including for example Digitrax, ESU, MRC, Gaugmaster, NCE, Lenz,
Zimo, TCS, Soundtraxx, Hornby and ZTC.
< /quote >
With regard to the latter, I assume they assume that all of those
manufacturers themselves comply with NMRA standards. ;-)
Fine, BUT why go to the trouble of producing all of the coaches to enable a
full train to be put together if their rather ineffective power unit won't
move them and seems incapable of running at anything like a scale speed.
I don't see any mention in the 2007 catalogue to say this item is aimed
purely at the trainset market, but I do see all of the add-on coaches
listed. I suspect some people who have ordered a train pack and full rake
of coaches will be rather disappointed.
I don't see any warning in their catalogue to this effect.