Apologies to those who consider this off topic, but if you are e member
of a Yahoo Group [model rail has any number] and receive e-mails or even
the dreaded digest download the link below will provide some interesting
reading. This silly idea needs to be nipped in the bud before it catches
hold and spreads. The free Fred Langa newsletter contains some further
[quite robust] explanation of this latest greed fuelled stupidity.
Fred's letter can be found at Langa.com.
The charge will only be for emails you want sent to AOL or Yahoo
customers without going via their spam filters. There will be no charge
for sending emails if you are an AOL customer, nor will there be a
charge for using yahoo groups (we get enough adverts from yahoo!).
The Register had the story last week
I don't know how others feel about this but I can tell you that the present
system is a nightmare and really does need an overhaul.
For example, my ISP (ntl:) regularly refuses legitimate email from
legitimate end users of Yahoo (and hence BTInternet), Freeserve/Wanadoo and
others because they (ntl:) subscribe to a service called Spamhaus (among
others) that blacklists various mail servers for various reasons. Once a
mail server is on a blacklist it can be several weeks before the owner can
get it off, and that means that for those weeks no one who uses that ISP
mail service can email anyone who's ISP uses Spamhaus to identify spamers.
A lot of legitimate (email about our exhibition for example) thus falls into
a black hole and the sender may or may not get told about it.
As far as I can see these two articles refer to high volume users (e.g. the
Screwfix newsletter) being asked to pay for their mail to be certified
rather than junked and thus should not affect normal end users. I am,
however, open to be corrected about this by anyone more knowledgeable.
In message , Elliott Cowton
Well I receive some four hundred e-mails per day and less than 2% which
are spam actually get onto my laptop. I have a completely open mail feed
and run my own mail server. Strangely of the discarded spam some 17%
originates from AOL servers. They are of course doing everything that
they can to stop the spammers [not] These people fail miserably to keep
their own house in order.
I assume then that you are forced to use their services?
Censorship - and make no mistake that is precisely what this is, tends
to do that. False positives are the bane of all kinds of filter, but
across the board blacklisting of servers is the height of stupidity.
Mind you that is to be expected of NTL with their wonderful proxy
[sounds better without the R] servers and lashed up infrastructure.
It is - like the governments identity card system the thin end of a very
wide blunt wedge. The Internet was built on freedom of communication and
being gradually converted by the greedy and inanely stupid to a global
sales tool has caused a great many problems and will undoubtedly
continue to do so.
Whoops I have just received a spam mailing from Yahoo about their
valentine crap :0) The penalty of taking Yahoo groups unfiltered
Thats correct. Bulk emailers will have to sign up to a code of conduct,
and those who dont, will see their emails blocked. One of the common
tricks for spammers is to use trojan software to hijack PC's and use
them to send email. This will (should) prevent that.
For those that worry about being charged for sending email, bear in mind
that these companies are in business to make money. If that means they
charge to send emails, then they will. Just as Vodafone charges for its
customers to send text messages. If you dont like the charges, you can
Any ISP who outsources their spam filtering to an
unaccountable/uncontactable organisation is, in my opinion, extremely
irresponsible! It commercial suicide and incredibly high risk for an
ISP to let someone else filter mail for it!
A couple of years back the osirusoft blacklist (of Jo Jared which now
no longer exists) put a block on the first two numbers of an IP address
and put *.* as the last two. This had the effect of blocking Optus, one
of the main upstream providers here in Australia and caused half of
Australia's ISPs to be blocked around the world!
In principal, block lists are a good idea. In practice, they don't
If an ISP wants mail filtering, it should do it itself.
Have the option to sign up and pay for a premium service whereby their
"trusted" e-mail will bypass AOL or Yahoo filtering and end up in the
recipients inbox that little bit sooner.
They'll only be blocked if deemed to be spam. Otherwise they do not get
the premium service and will be delayed as they go through the spam and
The whole thing seems to be a storm in a teacup. No one is suggesting
ordinary users will be asked to pay for sending or receiving e-mail. No
one is suggesting any mails other than those deemed spam or virus will