And what gives you the idea that anyone would want, or care if you do give a da_n? JM is an adequate AMA problem, so why should those that want a better AMA also want CO Jones, just another uninformed dolt only interested in profanity and bickering. C.O. you are definitely unique in one respect, and that is that you ARE DEFUNITEY NOT a SOB! Even a male dog gives a daily birth to your clones.
I sincerely hope that the people in Division V chose a VP who will represent their interests and promote the hobby. Having an elected person who is all things to all people is, of course, impossible. Sounds like Jim McNeill has surrounded himself with associate VP's who are looking out for his best interests. That will be really hard to buck. When the guys who oppose McNeill respond to sniping and nasty posts by his supporters, they are playing right into the hands of those supporters. The average modeler in DV reads these posts, thinks the opposition to McNeill is mean spirited and picking on him. If he even bothers to return his ballot, he votes for the "poor guy" who is being trashed on the Internet. As far as McNeill and his guys are concerned, mission accomplished. Makes me appreciate the guy we have. Bill
//SNIP//
"...guy we have." ??????
Is that McNeil or the other candidate/s?
For those wishing to unseat JM, they have to get a real campaign going. That is a h--l of a lot more than idle wishes in front of a keyboard. Hey, I have the experiences to prove such! (;-()<
The average AMA member has absolutely no idea of all these forums, and AMA is something one sends money to so the *club* will allow one to play with one's toys at that place. The average modeler, er, ..uh,.. I mean AMA member, has no idea what DVP means, much less who his is. Outside the AMA's "MA" the average AMAer has no clue about other magazines and the only supplier is Tower Hobby. To get the attention of those other than the voting 15% -- the incumbent's groupies -- one will have to really get big time in the AMA campaign. Regardless of some people's day-dreams, the computer is a very poor communicating tool. This is very true when AMA will not release AMA Leader Members' addresses to the Opponent while the incumbent has full access to ALL files and records. In addition, the opponent on the official nominee list is supposed to receive copies of all AMA EC mailings to the incumbent. Hey, don't hold your breath for that one. The mail box stays empty.
Now just who is nominating whom for the big seat this year, the AMA President?
HC
Exactly! So why bother with any legal action as long as the opposition does your job for you?
Chuck
Oooooooo! I bet you moved up a notch in the pack with those snazzy remarks. Next time try not to show your real intelligence and use a spell checker!
Your "lack of documentation" stems from not having been a respondent in this news group for very long.
The documentation not only exists, it has been included in formal charges preferred against McNeill.
I preferred those formal charges.
Me. With the documentation you so admire.
Dave Brown dismissed the formal charges out of hand, period. plain and simple. Nothing was sent to the Executive Council for consideration. NOTHING.
It would be relevant if you actually knew what you were talking about, but you don't.
The documentation exists. Rat cheer on this machine and in a file almost four inches thick.
And no, I am not going to publish it for your amusement or comment.
The matter is closed, Dave Brown closed it, and he made it quite clear that there _will be no censure of McNeill_ by the Executive Council.
Find another target, 'cuz you're WAY OFF about the documentation. Cheers, Fred McClellan The House Of Balsa Dust
Sitting next to me in the bars ?
Always taking cheap shots even when you don't know anything about your "target".
Never said there was anything wrong with antique shops, and you know it.
What's wrong is the way McNeill is reputed to have billed AMA for trips to sanctioned events, has claimed to have BEEN at those sanctioned events for a full day, yet several AMA members (including the CD for at least one such event) have made public statements that McNeill's claims are FALSE, that he spent less than an hour at the event, snapped a few photos, and disappeared.
THAT is what's wrong with antiques, vis a vis McNeill.
Someone mentioned the word fraud, somewhere in this thread . . .
Oh.
That was YOU, wasn't it ?
You recognize that things might not all be sweetness and light with regard to McNeill's antique "thing", but folks down here who _HAVE SEEN_ McNeills shenanigans can't make the same observation ?
Go 'way, Kevin. Yer latest moniker has already been "outed". Cheers, Fred McClellan The House Of Balsa Dust
Alas, that's the really sad part.
That the District V 'average modeler' might believe the Stillman supporters are just trashing Mr. McNeill out of hand because Tony Stillman really doesn't have anything to offer the District in terms of leadership abilities.
It would be only fair to list the contributions of Mr. McNeill and Mr. Stillman during the last year, so the 'average modeler' can make up his mind as to which is the better-qualified leader for AMA District V.
I'll play Stillman advocate, 'cuz the McNeill advocate will have a tough row to hoe.
Tony Stillman, in 2003, was :
Named to replace the retiring Pete Waters as contributing editor for the RC Report column on electronics.
Elected to the AMA Hall Of Fame.
Team Manager, AMA-sponsored United States' F3A World Championship Team. In his fourth such appointment, Mr. Stillman helped the team bring home _gold medals_. See the write-ups at :
Would a Jim McNeill advocate please stand up and list Mr. McNeill's many fine 2003 contributions to AMA and model aviation in general ?
Cheers, Fred McClellan The House Of Balsa Dust
Room had to be made for the latest AVP appointee, and Malcom had to go. He's in Georgia, y'know.
Actually, the appointment was pretty slickly done. Not only did McNeill repay a political favor, he got an AVP who's a known fan and shifted another AVP slot away from Georgia.
Puerto Rico, Tennessee, Mississippi, and South Carolina have one AVP each. Georgia and Alabama have two each. There are 10 AVPs in Florida.
Before someone can be named by a DVP as his successor, that person must first be an AVP.
Methinks the second shoe is about to drop.
Methinks McNeill has reasoned that the Stillman campaign will succeed this Fall.
Methinks McNeill wants to claim he never lost an election.
Methinks he's going to retire in October, since that's within the three-month period when he can name a temporary DVP to succeed him directly. The membership would have no say in the matter, nor would the Executive Council be able to rule otherwise.
Methinks he's about to "stick" AMA District V with a District Vice President who less than five years ago was not an AMA member, who actively campaigned against AMA in another model aviation organization, and mostly because he wants to foist a DVP irrevocably on the District without the membership of the district having any say in the matter. It would be one last demonstration that McNeill can do whatever he wants in District V.
Methinks District V had better learn to spell "Gier", and soon.
Methinks the last sentence in By-Laws Of The Academy Of Model Aeronautics, Article X, Section 2, Sub-section (1), is going to get a lot of scrutiny this Fall. Cheers, Fred McClellan The House Of Balsa Dust
Lemme make sure I got your 'argument' right . . . .
YOU are warning ME about the possibility of being GROUNDED ?
YOU ?
Oh, wow.
After YOU called ME >paranoid< last November when I warned YOU to watch out for federales bearing arms showing up on your private flying site ?
Sure thing, bub.
I agree with a few other folks herein.
I conclude you just want to be argumentive, and it doesn't matter what any of us actually know, conclude, or observe with respect to AMA, as far as you're concerned, we don't know what we're talking about.
Go 'way, Kevin. Yer latest moniker has been outed.
Cheers, Fred McClellan The House Of Balsa Dust
Congrats Fred!
I have been wondering when someone would notice. But in my attempts a being a good citizen I have refrained from pointing out the obvious.
Can ANYONE name ANY sitting (read that as incumbent) DVP who has EVER been beaten? We do NOT elect DVP's, rather they are appointed and inherit their seats.
I can probably name the next appointed DVP to hit the streets, but I can hear the screams of the bleeding liberals north of me now so I will wait a while longer before making that piece of trivia public..
Jim Branaum AMA 1428
a.k.a.
Six_O'Clock snipped-for-privacy@TargetLock.Guns
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ROFLOL! I was told that was NOT the goal! Wanna bet that one of the previous 'tainted' nominees for DVP nominates the nominator? Or do you think he will find some other idiot to do the dirty work for him in hopes that the recorded actions will blow over and be forgotten?
Why not Fred? You always do! And that is my point!
Pretty much works that way with the entire EC doesn't it? Right from DB down? As I recall, pretty much works that way in a lot of clubs too. So you guys keep supporting this organization because......................?
And before any of you get on your soapbox and answer, seems to me a major drop in membership would send a clear signal. Easy to accomplish? Probably not. Worth attempting? That's up to you guys. I'm just a chuckling spectator.
| And before any of you get on your soapbox and answer, seems to me a major | drop in membership would send a clear signal.
Perhaps, but such a signal is almost certain to be misinterpeted.
| Easy to accomplish? Probably not.
Certainly not. I wonder what percentage of AMA members are AMA members only because the insurance is required to fly at the local AMA field? (I'll bet it's substantial.)
And then there's the apathy angle. Most people don't care what happens in Muncie, as long as it doesn't affect them. To be fair, I'm probably one of those people, though I pay more attention than most I think.
Are these posted on the AMA website - I looked in the .pdf section but didn't see anything listed as AMA bylaws - I may have missed it. Thanks, FredD
It may be found at the AMA web site under Publications - 2004 Membership Manual
See:
much works that way with the entire EC doesn't it? Right from DB
I thought you said you were finished with this discussion...
Found it - thanks Red.
FredD
because......................?
Is that a question or are you making a statement? Either way, in some cases I simply can't help it when a good chuckle is in the offing!
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