Unless you have inspected the Kurt knock-off vises made by EVERY SINGLE CHINESE company making them, you don't KNOW that they are ALL crap. So stating that "Chinese Kurt vises are crap" (a statement which assumes *ALL* since it wasn't qualified by some, most, or everyone I've seen, etc.) results in the statement being no more than unsupported conjecture. In other words, an opinion.
It very well could be relevant. There may be any number of Chinese companies making a better quality Kurt vises, than Kurt itself.
Unfortunately, that particular dial caliper is long gone for these last 20 years. RIP
jon_banquer wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@p25g2000pri.googlegroups.com:
You're right. I was making the same point by posting the Dapra link. There's always a product available that's better suited to a given job or set of circumstances. Rarely it's the least expensive alternative though.
Was Chick the first with a design that seems to have been copied by many? Do other work holding systems use the same kind of "Third- Hand" / slide assembly mechanism? You only need 1/4 turn to unload the top piece and then another 1/4 turn to unload the bottom piece.
I was just looking at this for small prototype work:
"Jon, I never forgot any of your postings about SDRC I made the wrong decision in spite of what you said. There have been a number of times that my Wife has told me to be careful in dealing with someone and after words says "I told you so". She earned the right to say it as well as you have earned the right to say I TOLD YOU SO. I made a decision that went against my better judgment and as usual it turned out poorly." .... Tom Brewer
Ignorant:
"I do not purchase programs unless I know before hand that they are what I want and/ or need."... Tom Brewer who can't follow his own advice. See above.
Ignorant:
Tom Brewer thinking he and his pals like Joe788 can play their Usenet staking games, lie on a repeated basis and suffer no consequences for doing so.
Ignorant:
"I have shot myself in the foot, not an easy thing to do when it is in your mouth and your head is in your ass."... Tom Brewer admitting what he's often like.
Ignorant:
Someone who has a proven track record of not being able to deal with or accept the kind of change that occurs in the cadcam market... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.
Ignorant:
Someone who doesn't live in San Diego yet insists there is no shortage of CNC machinists here... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.
Ignorant:
Someone who criticizes someone on SolidWorks but has never helped anyone with specific SolidWorks answers. Someone who is not able to answer any questions that "Vinny" had on master modeling or skeletal modeling. Someone who has never posted any models they have done... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.
Ignorant:
Tom Brewer's failure to understand who Matt Lombard really is.
Ignorant:
Tom Brewer's unable to comprehend what's on the cover of the SolidWorks Bible:
"Whether you're a new, intermediate, ...."
Ignorant:
Someone who can't understand more than a simple "I love it!" or "I hate it!" type of comment ... now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.
Ignorant:
Tom Brewer implies that because you acknowledge that the $25 SolidWorks course covers subjects / topics that the $650 SolidWorks course didn't that you're now somehow an idiot and got screwed when you decided to purchase the $650 SolidWorks course.
Tom Brewer Writing About SmartCAM:
"I ended up paying a consultant $40.00 per hour for two weeks."
"FYI, when I said "Solid modeling" in reference to SmartCam it was tongue in cheek. What you could not see is that when I was typing that I was laughing to myself. Anyone that uses SmartCam and Solid Modeling in the same sentence cannot be taken seriously."
Recently Tom Brewer said SmartCAM had no user interface problems and yet the record shows Tom Brewer thinks SmartCAM does indeed have user interface problems:
"The only real problem that I run into is that the screen can get cluttered and it becomes difficult to pick and choose elements in Free Form. I just use the utility masking feature to hide what is in the way, that cures the problem but it does add work (I tried the snap filtering and snap options but for me it was not the best way), I have seen other packages that handle picking and choosing in better."
Conclusion:
Tom Brewer thinks he's a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.
jon_banquer wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@y18g2000pre.googlegroups.com:
It was the first that I'd ever seen. But I don't know if it was the first.
I've seen similar systems. They are great for low lot size repeat work where saving changeover time is more important than maximizing the number of parts fixtured at one time.
I could see where if you were building prototypes it might be handy to be able to set up the job again to make a few more. Or make some changes and be able to quickly set up and machine some new ones.
You know the funny thing is that most prototype machinists I have met reject anything like this and always want to start from scratch. The concept makes perfect sense to me.
Brewer it's funny that you wasted years "Reverse Stalking" Cliffy and now your the exact same thing he is... with the exception of some actual machining and CADCAM experience. Otherwise you're both very similar... total lying losers who make mistake after mistake after mistake.
Then you know you're in a Bottlebob type shop and you get the f*ck out. Maybe Bottlebob's boss can sell those cheap Chinese Kurt knock- offs vise's to Gary Knutson when he stops by.
You know the funny thing is that most prototype machinists I have met reject anything like this and always want to start from scratch. The concept makes perfect sense to me.
I fail to the benefit to you in trying to antagonize one of the few people in this newsgroup that has always tried to remain neutral in your battles with others, and has done his best to treat you fairly.
This is just one more case of Jon getting in way over his head, and making wild claims that he can't even begin to back up.
He says he'd "bet money" that Chick's System 5 could be changed over faster than Kurt's HD or Toolex's Snap Lock system, but refuses to explain how it can be any faster, given the fact that the mounting systems are all the same. (With the exception of Kurt's, which actually only takes a partial turn of the two center bolts to remove the center jaw, which actually makes it -faster- than the Chick)
He says the regular Kurt vise doesn't impress him and isn't anything special, but refuses to recommend any other alternative of the same quality at a similar price.
The poor guy is just a sociopath. He gets an idea about something, and all of the sudden it's the greatest thing in the world, and everything else is the worst thing in the world. I can't even fathom what it would be like to share a workplace with the guy.
Actually, it's a case of him getting you to provide your advice and experience for free by antagonizing you Joe. He's correct when he says he owns you.
I now have the experience to realize I don't want to work for shops like you work for. There are much better opportunities available for me. It's that simple.
LOL "Sticks and Stones -- If you're being wiped out with evidence and reasoning you cannot refute, you can always take refuge in complaining about the language being used by your adversaries. For example, if they say, "I've already explained that it takes less gas to kill people than lice, and therefore there are fewer cyanide residues remaining on the gas chamber walls than on the delousing chamber walls, you moron," you can respond by complaining about their use of the word "moron." You can actually evade quite a bit of serious discussion by spending a lot of time condescendingly lecturing the newsgroup about their use of trashy language. But this approach doesn't work very well in building credibility. You may view yourself as an arbiter of social discourse but you'll actually come off like a den-mother scurrying around excoriating the little Cub Scouts to behave themselves."
I think the term I heard tossed around by one of the CADCAM vendors at Westec was, "If he had a pot to piss in, he'd have been sued a half dozen times already."
When you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose. And you by all means, have nothing.
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