Magnetic Susceptibility of Dental Amalgams

For God's sake, why don't you do a little homework then? Just look up the component compounds of amalgam in a CRC handbook, jot down their permittivity and permeability constants, and use the rule of mixtures to arrive at a composite material behavior.

Maybe if you did a few calculations your argument would be better received. My guess is that you are afraid that the hard science will prove you wrong. Why is it that fanatics never take the time to do the research themselves? For all the effort they spend promoting these crazy views, you would think they would have performed a little effort to make sure that their theories are on sound scientific ground. Instead, they try to dredge up the same old papers that have been refuted so many times in the past.

My question is what metals exhibit magnetic properties besides Iron ?

Cobalt, nickel, mild steel, SiFe, mumetal, and supermalloy. All of these have a relative permeability much larger than

1.0 and are thus high magnetic susceptibility compounds.

Thank you for your reply.

The excitation of the nuclei of atoms in MRI procedures is not simply dependent upon field strength.

The field strength influences the frequency at which the targeted nuclei will resonate, but the frequency of the incident radiation must also match this "resonant" frequency for the excitation required for MRI purposes to take place.

The variation of resonant frequencies for varying field strengths is different for the nuclei of different elements. In fact, each element (more accurately, each isotope of each element) has its own characteristic profile of "resonant" frequencies (called Larmor frequencies after the British scientist Sir Joseph Larmor (1857-1942)).

A table of NMR frequencies at different field strengths for different elements can be found on the website of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology at:

You can see that the field strengths for this table have actually been chosen to match with convenient values of Larmor frequencies for hydrogen - H(1).

So, for argument's sake, if your MRI scan had been set up with a field strength of 5.8717 Tesla and a frequency of incident radiation of 250 MHz, then you would have expected the hydrogen nuclei in the region of your body under examination to "resonate" accordingly.

However, you would not have expected the nuclei of the mercury, silver or tin atoms in your amalgam fillings to have resonated significantly at all.

This is because the Larmor frequencies of Ag(107), Ag(109), Sn(115), Sn(117), Sn(119), Hg(119) and Hg(201) at this field strength are

10.116, 11.630, 81.749, 89.063, 93.181, 44.568, and 16.499 MHz respectively, and not 250MHz.

The Larmor frequencies for these nuclei will always be different from that of hydrogen, whatever the strength of the field. And it can therefore be ensured that only hydrogen nuclei are excited in an MRI procedure simply by ensuring that the incident radiation matches the Larmor frequency for H(1) at the chosen field strength.

Do you think that it should be possible to determine whether or not the nuclei of the atoms in your amalgam fillings might be excited by other, perhaps less mindfully engineered electromagnetic fields, such as those produced by visual display units, electrified railway lines, cellular telephones, etc., etc., etc.?

Keith P Walsh

Good one, you are right. Stay away from Dutch research papers and do not use for tooth cleaning purposes that Old Dutch Cleanser.

JOEL

SiFe = Ferrous Silica ?

Am unfamiliar with mumetal and supermalloy.

Are these metals that considered 'ferrous' metals ?

Just want to know because I don't believe that any of these metals are contained in any formulation of dental amalgam.

Some dental casting alloys do contain small ammounts of Indium, any magnetic properties there ?

Thanks for you time, WB

Unlikely for many reasons: reflection/absorption by tissue surrounding mouth; FCC interference rules which guarantee weak EM fields from consumer products; the inverse square law of dissipation of EM radiation away from a source; and low-Q resonances of metals and compounds which means they may be strongly attenuated and not significantly "ring".

And after all this, there is still no reason to claim that a lonely resonating tin atom implies a harmful health effect. The MRI is not mutating H atoms or causing people to die. I suspect your reasoning has become inverted. You hate amalgams and thus think they must be harmful.

Does Old Dutch keep amalgams from becoming tarnished?

Sorry SiFe is my lazy way of writing silicon iron. It's used a lot in transformers.

Check a CRC manual (I don't have one handy right here). Look up permeability which also might be referred to as mu (unit = henries/meter). Run of the mill iron has a mu of around 5000, and purified iron is around 200000. Supermalloy has a mu around 1 million. The general rule of thumb is that most materials on the face of the earth have a mu of 1.0 (essentially no magnetic susceptibility).

No but it cuts down on the millivolts emanating from the amalgam.

Less than 350.

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Anyone know the ADA CDT-4 code for Exciting amalgams?

Where is Jan Drew when we need her. She is expert on poisonosity of amalgam.

JOEL

Well internet expert, anyway.

Where is Jan Drew when we need her. She is expert on poisonosity of amalgam.

JOEL

Well internet expert, anyway.

Mumetal is popular on dairy farms .......

Mumetal is shorthand for metal used on dairy farms .......... we said this already.

I have to say Walsh, that in 5 years of enjoying newsgroups, and especially in the past couple years you have been around, you are the absolute best Troll that has ever frequented any group, and I mean the best.

Your posts are well written and articulate, you rarely rise to the viceral responses and various character assassinations and generally you stay on your topic.

The fact you are wrong and irrelevant, and a complete nut bar is quite beside the point. You are definitely entertaining.

But don't you think perhaps you should get some help ...

Naw ... keep on posting, the spice is good!

MA Sonjariv

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Maybe Walsh is a variant of the old BASIC computer program, Eliza, with special amalgam related modifications?

Very well said! I too am amazed that Keith never once lost his temper when questioned about 348 millivolts, or even 349, dozens and even hundreds of times.

Quite a gentleman. Quite incorrect, but still quite a gentleman!

JOEL

and it really does add to the overall charm of this NG. I quite look forward to these threads - a terrific diversion!

cheers, MA Sonjariv