Company bans homeschooled workers

Mayan Stonebird wrote:


It is common sense. Do I need to prove to you that roses are red, and violets are blue?
Do you believe an auto mechanic who has been working all his life, can fix a car better than you do? Remember by the time you need to homeschool your kids, you would have been out of school for at least a decade or so. I won't trust my car to an amateur mechanic-wannabe. Will you?
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On 5/7/2014 10:55 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:

Understand that you will never be associated with "common sense"...

Do you think a lot of roses are not red and that violets are actually purple?

Do you think I am incapable of buying a shop manual and tools and matching his results, albeit at a slower pace as I learn?

Not everyone waits that long to have kids.

Where i live one of the best ways to get good low-cost repairs is to allow a VoTech school class to service one's car.
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Mighty Wannabe wrote:

So what have you done in the decades since you've been out of school? Eat Fritos and watch Simpsons reruns? Collect your (faux) sheepskin and immediately suffer retrograde amnesia? Do you think math teachers, to pick one example, in primary and secondary education spend their evenings reading the Journal of the American Mathematical Society? Nope, they're regurgitating the same crap they've been putting forth for the last 10 or 20 or 30 years. Perhaps they've figured out how to teach their subject but for the most part they are not current in that subject.
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rbowman wrote:

Calculus is something you will lose if you don't use after graduation.

High school is not university. They are teaching the run-of-the-mill kind of math in high school.
If the teachers have been teaching the same subject for 30 years, they must be very good at it even if they weren't when they started.
Parents can never match the level of competence of a professional teacher. Homeschooling is screwing your kids out of a proper education.
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On 5/7/2014 10:03 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:

And look at what it made you into...a laughing stock!
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Mighty Wannabe wrote:

True. Which leads to the interesting question of why it is taught in high school except on the conceptual level.
'Calculus Made Easy: Being a Very-Simplest Introduction to Those Beautiful Methods of Reckoning which Are Generally Called by the Terrifying Names of the Differential Calculus and the Integral Calculus'
Silvanus P. Thompson
(Amazon.com product link shortened) http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/33283
I haven't seen the updated edition nor have I seen any of the texts used ar the high school level but like some of the Amazon reviewers I stumbled ypon the book a good thirty years after I puzzled my way through Schwarz's puzzle palace and regretted not having had read it for the introduction. I doubt it has been improved upon in the last 100 years.

You are starting to argue against yourself. I'm sure many homeschoolers are perfectly capable of imparting run of the mill math to their offspring, assuming anyone could. Personally, by the time I was in high school, I was dipping into Principia Mathematica rather than doing my plane geometry homework. I almost flunked that since I found the Euclidean QED exercises much less fascinating than Whitehead & Russell.
That sums up the first 12 years of my education. I pursued a self study course and if my current interest lined up with what I was supposed to be learning, all was good in the world. If they didn't I barely skated through with passing grades.
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rbowman wrote:

Try stand at a busy downtown street corner and survey how many percent of adult population, who have been out of school for ten years or more, can explain and demonstrate Newton's "First Principles" of calculus. Most likely 0.
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Mighty Wannabe wrote:

So 0% of the adult population has had any use of Newton's 'First Principles'? That would be the first principle of derivation?
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 04:13:43 -0400, Mighty Wannabe

Red herring. Most of the population never took a college preparatory track in high school; they would never have taken calculus in the first place.
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On 5/8/2014 11:24 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:

Canuckleheads are still trying to do the calculus on why they can't get their oil through America...
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On 2014-05-08 1:29 PM, Mayan Stonebird wrote:

No... but maybe we will see the day when you cannot get oil.;-)
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============================================================ TOPIC HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CANADIAN NEWSGROUPS - DROP DEAD ============================================================ On 5/8/2014 12:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote: I recognize that I'm a troll and spammer into non-relevant groups. It's because I'm a total ass and can't control myself.
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On 5/8/2014 3:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

Thanks to rampant Socialism... we see it too.
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On 5/8/2014 1:10 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

That could take decades given the Bakken.
It is a shame Obama decided to shaft you hosers, he must not like you.
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The troll Mighty Wannabe wrote:

You have completely morphed your original argument. It was your claim that American manufacturing has hit the skids and gone to China solely because of poor home schooling in math. Economics has nothing to do with it. The fact that maybe 3% of the kids are home schooled has nothing to do with it, you tell us.
Now all of a sudden, public school is only teaching run-of-the-mill kind of math, that is as it should be, and it has nothing to do with the manufacturing declines. It also has nothing to do with your often repeated claim the US places badly in international scholastic testing because of home schooling.

Whereas by the third or fourth kid, the home schooling parent could not have learned anything along the way.

Bold and universal claim. Care to explain why you think that is true?

As proven by them averaging 84 on math tests instead of the public school average of 50.
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On 5/8/2014 11:18 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:

Git after that canuck troll, Winnie!
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On Thu, 08 May 2014 11:23:21 -0600, Mayan Stonebird wrote:

Careful, you are cheering on an "ultra-left wing polemicist".
I suppose the left would appreciate your support but then again, I'm only the left in your mind.
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============================================================ TOPIC HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CANADIAN NEWSGROUPS - DROP DEAD ============================================================ On 5/8/2014 10:52 AM, Winston_Smith AKA NoBody
wrote: I recognize that I'm a troll and spammer into non-relevant groups. It's because I'm a total ass and can't control myself.
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On Tuesday, May 6, 2014 10:23:45 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:

That's what backward anti-state anti-progressives want. That type of thing makes them happy. Check these stats out:
+ 26% of all Americans think that the sun revolves around the earth.
+ Nearly 8 in 10 believe in Angels.
Now, is all that taught in school or at homes like those? (Not hard to guess)
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On 5/15/2014 10:58 AM, snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote:

I saw some Angels several years ago, They were Blue and performed at an air show over the Milwaukee lakefront.
Other mythical creatures, Thunderbirds, performed in different years.
I'm not home schooled, attended public school, which means I ended up self educated.
David
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