Who won the Civil War?

Who won the Civil War? Or why school administrators and teachers should be
taken out and shot
You know the drill, you've seen these before but it is still scary.
And these kids adults are college students! And voters!
What an indictment of our educational system and so-called higher
education!
Why people should have to pass a civics test in order to vote. And a history
test. And a economics test. And...
Primary school, high school, college -- why are we paying for this. What are
we paying for.
Do parents even talk to their kids at home anymore? Have a family
discussion, people.
Who won the Civil War? ... and this is in TEXAS!
Reply to
raykeller
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KopyPasta does it again.
Reply to
Winston_Smith
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:39:45 -0700, "raykeller" wrote:
Well, yes, it is Texas. A state with a well established history of being against education. You get what you pay for.
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Keeping kids stupid is the primary goal of conservatives.
Reply to
deep
It's not just Texas. You'd probably get similar results (in fact, this interview shtick has been pulled many times, and the results tend to be similar) almost anywhere in the country.
Why? We've so denigrated history, geography and the rest of the liberal arts -- thank you STEM and "Common Core" -- that kids don't even pay attention to them anymore.
Our college programs have become so career-oriented that calling what they do "education" is a joke. It's high-priced vocational training, particularly in the technical fields. Vocational training is a great thing. But the unfortunate result of over emphasizing it is that it squeezes out a genuine, liberal-arts education.
It's been going on for decades and it keeps getting worse. I was part of the generation who were taught in an environment that had reacted to Sputnik. Suddenly, by 1960 or 1962, math and science were everything.
I didn't realize that I had little real education until I was halfway through college, taking a course taught by George Will, and felt uncomfortable about it because I felt like I'd been dropped into the middle of a conversation. It was a political history course, and I had no concept of where all those conflicting ideas came from. As a result, I couldn't really evaluate any of them.
"I think I need to go back and study the classics," I said to Will. "Which ones?" he asked. I didn't even know which ones. I walked out of that meeting completely shattered.
That was the life-changing moment in which I dropped out of engineering and started studying the liberal arts. I went back and studied the classics, after finding out what they were.
Reply to
Ed Huntress
Don't you know a spamming false website like that ?
Texas is Pro-Education. Schools are spending money like water. The local elementary has a stage larger than the High school built 30 years ago. And the building is graded for 100 years use but the district plans on 20 years max. Over built and over spent. The landscaping is such that it costs much more to mow the acres of grass. They planted hundred of large trees that required a machine to plant them. So many the mowers bypass the trees and have a lot of hand cutting with push/motor mowers. The Budget for the mowing was voted to raise year after year.
And Education is very important here. It was written in the founding constitution of the Republic and continued as a State constitution later. There are wacko types that sit on these boards that set standards and books. All it takes is a few and the good is spoiled.
Martin
Reply to
Martin Eastburn
Really? It's GOPers who are against education funding.
Non STEM fields are still there. Blame Eisenhower though for the shift in emphasis
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You can always get a degree in something whose employment potential is low. It's choice. Goals are different. George Will
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He subsequently studied Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Magdalen College, Oxford, (BA, MA), and received MA and PhD degrees in politics from Princeton University. His 1968 PhD dissertation was entitled Beyond the Reach of Majorities: Closed Questions in the Open Society.
Kinda non STEM...
Eisenhower.
His answer was correct. Consider what he has degrees in...
Reply to
Gronk
It's not a matter of how much money was spent on their education. It's amatter of what they learned.
I'm aware of the history of it.
And you can wind up a well-trained ignoramus with great employment prospects. And then, when you're asked who won the Civil War, or whether the Constitution allows states to tax people to vote, you can say that you don't know. Then you giggle.
Right. He was a brilliant guy, pretty much in demand. He was a great lecturer, by the way, but a lousy academic advisor. However, he did hel me a lot -- mostly by turning his back on me.
But some people have no trouble finding employment, and others can't get a job to save their lives, regardless of what they studied.
It was the whole country. Are you old enough to remember? When Sputnik went up, the whole country went nuts.
His answer was a question -- a non-answer.
Reply to
Ed Huntress
This is fraud. Texas the Republic supported Education. It was part of the Constitution. When the US needed us to join the other states - yes they asked us... The State Constitution has education at all levels. They are supported by the local population and the state on some items. Higher level - TAMU and UT are funded by the constitution and Land Grants. The west Texas oil provided a high quality and volume of money.
Local school districts just go out and tell the tax assessor to pay them what they want. No vote. No begging or telling the truth. Just bill.
The local school district pays cash for every building and the fittings. Start school the next year in that new building.
Those are the facts. The amount coming out of the state is for salary and state programs. The AG programs are paid for by the AG university. The Forestry department is part of the AG university - TAMU. I can take tree/bush/grass/weed plant material and dirt material to the local Forestry / AG unit in the county - two levels - and they will help identify and determine what kind of chemical / natural / additive to grow what you want to grow. Really a great help. They identify odd sightings of plants and animals. They run the training for master gardeners. And some of them fight fires.
If you don't live here you just don't know. Lowering funding from one level to another might simply be not buying six new books in classrooms.
Books come in waves. Ramp up and ramp down. Funding for extraordinary issues. e.g. Tornado wipes a town out and there isn't a tax base to build a school. State steps up and funds it. But that is now and then.
One has to look at the specific bill that didn't fund to the previous level which isn't guaranteed for ever.
Would you take the insurance company of your house or car to increase their rates at any rate they want and never reduce ? Just higher and Higher ???
So think before you pop off on some lib newspaper crying about something.
Martin
Reply to
Martin Eastburn
No one won the American Civil War. It's not even over yet. Just a long and rather uneasy prolonged truce / cease-fire
Reply to
clare
I agree and bemoan the fall of the "liberal education" that paleo-conservatives have always supported.
Yet the libs tend to support common core and the Neocons, who deep says want to keep kids ignorant, tend to oppose it. Curious reversal of positions, no ?
I applaud you.
Reply to
Winston_Smith
You don't like common core? Texas opposed it. I've never heard anything negative about it except fundies crying about how it's more state intrusion in parent's right to deprive their children of an education. Glancing down the list it's pretty obvious the blue states are adopting it, and the red states are either rejecting it or watering it down as much as possible.
Reply to
deep
There is the political issue of Federal intrusion and there is also the issue of what's the total curriculum taught in schools.
I'm old school (paleo-conservative). I want solid science but I want all the liberal arts too. Put in a strong civics content while you are at it. That's what we had, and probably every kid in the country back when dinosaurs roamed the earth and America was kicking technical and intellectual ass around the world.
We had a heavy selection of after school activities too that ranged the gamut. Today there is mostly nothing and if there is, the kids parents have to cough up a step price for the kid to participate. It was just part of "school" in my world. What the h*** are they doing with the ever increasing budgets?
Reply to
Winston_Smith
A tiny minority. Very, very tiny.
That's tired old liberal mantra. First tell me what "day" means. I can give you quite a few conflicting versions right out of the Bible.
I notice the sequence of creation in Genesis and the sequence of cosmology and evolution are the same. In the time frame of human history, archeology and the Bible don't find much to differ over either. I can cite as many false starts in archeology as you can cite in conflicts in the Bible.
So where is this big religion vs. science disagreement? It comes down to quibbling what "day" means in an ambigous source.
Like I said, no real issue, just liberal BS to cloud the issue. Denigrate your opponent with a quick shot and shuffle on to something else real fast.
Reply to
Winston_Smith
Oh, ok, so the Bible contradicts itself. That helps your argument.
Not at all. For one thing in creation you claim dry land and plants precedes the sun, moon, and stars which is obviously quite impossible.
Nonsense. The Bible fantasy isn't at all like real life.
Well it is your fundie friends screwing up the works by insisting on a literal interpretation of a day among other things. We all know it's hundreds of millions of years, but the fundies just have to insist on literal interpretations when clearly that is not what anybody ever meant. Fundies would assimilate into modern society better if they could grasp the symbolism.
The bullshit is not coming from the left. Look the other way.
Reply to
deep
Checked the administrators' salaries lately? There's not much left to trickle down to buy new baseball bats.
Reply to
rbowman
Ya'll still got snow don't ya. You didn't know what end to keep. ;-)
Mikek
Reply to
amdx
Yeah, I was just doing a mental check list of my high school, who stood in class rooms and taught and how many drones there were.
With 1,000 kids in four grades, we had the principle, two office workers, a nurse, the librarian, and one custodial. That janitor also drove a bus (and was my scout master). That's it - six non-teachers. Plus a number of ladies that made hot lunches, from scratch, using real food.
The rest of the staff taught. Today you have specialists writing grant proposals, reports proving the school complied with umteen rules, etc. I doubt half the total staff man-hours are spent in front of a class teaching.
Reply to
Winston_Smith
Not necessarily. Depends entirely on the frame of reference.
A day is defined as one rotation of a body about it's axis.
With that said, the length of a day depends on your frame of reference.
A day on Earth is one thing. A day on Mars is another. A day on the Sun is yet another. A day for the galaxy is yet another A day for the universe is yet another
The length of a day all depends on what frame of reference you're using.
How long is a day for God in the Bible?
I wouldn't even presume to guess, because I don't know what frame of reference God uses.
Indeed, taken bit a grain of salt the Bible and the Big Bang Theory and the other theories, say pretty much the same thing.
In your own arrogance Dudu, you seem to feel that you know everything any anything, rather than accepting that like most people there is more you don't know than you do, and even mankind knows only a fraction of what there is and is guessing at most of the rest.
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Scout

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