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OT-The Lieberals are at it again

I wonder...can machine tools be far behind? Afterall..people make evil Guns on machine tools....and of course..any manufacturing courses that might give you the skills to make evil guns. And of course..kiss off any job recruiting for companies in the defense industry........

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Wednesday, Nov. 9, 2005 8:07 a.m. EST

San Francisco Approves Gun, Military Recruiting Ban

Voters approved ballot measures to ban handguns in San Francisco and urge the city's public high schools and college campuses to keep out military recruiters.

The gun ban prohibits the manufacture and sale of all firearms and ammunition in the city, and makes it illegal for residents to keep handguns in their homes or businesses.

Only two other major U.S. cities - Washington and Chicago - have implemented such sweeping handgun bans.

With all precincts reporting early Wednesday, 58 percent of voters backed the proposed gun ban while 42 percent opposed it.

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Although law enforcement, security guards and others who require weapons for work are exempt from the measure, current handgun owners would have to surrender their firearms by April.

A coalition led by the National Rifle Association has said it plans to challenge the initiative in court, arguing that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms under California law.

The military recruitment initiative won with 60 percent in favor and

40 percent against.

The measure, dubbed "College Not Combat," opposes the presence of military recruiters at public high schools and colleges. However, it would not ban the armed forces from seeking enlistees at city campuses, since that would put schools at risk of losing federal funding.

It encourages city officials and university administrators to exclude recruiters and create scholarships and training programs that would reduce the military's appeal to young adults.

"We now have the moral weight of the city behind us, and it's definitely a valuable asset to have in our corner," said Bob Matthews, an activist for the proposition.

© 2005 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner
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Sounds great. With no guns or military presense in San Francisco it should be easy for straight non-asian people to march in there and take it back over.

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User Example

What about the Sullivan Law in NYC? Basically the same thing.

Jim

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jim rozen

They should make it mandatory that all Californians carry. Would the gun death rate exceeded the daily car-crash death rate in CA? ...I don't think so. Teach people how to drive!

PS: The riots in France were instigated by the car companies to boost sales! I say we should all get together and burn our wire brushes in protest.

(Where are my/your linear rails?)

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Tom Gardner

You dont have them yet??

Hummmm Ill check on them.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner

I just called up home, and asked the wife if she had UPS'd em....there was a long pause...and a mumbled Ooops.

Sorry Tom..Ill do it myself

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner

Jim, the Sulivan Law in NYC doesn't even come close. Read up on its provisions if you can't or don't see the difference.

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Actually, my only problem with the NYC legislation are the excessive licensing fees. Note that is also addresses handguns only. I actually lived in Western NYS for nearly 10 years, and found the state, county, and local governments and laws to be preferable to those here in Massachusetts. In NYS, I had no problem in securing gun permits, or even my license to handle explosives and shoot display fireworks. By contrast, in MA each of these required a political connection to be made.

The San Francisco total ban is altogether another issue. Then too, am I the only person who views conditions in California as being totally crazy, and an equally bad place to raise a normal family as Colorado and Texas, where like California, psychos and deviants flourish in mass.

Harry C.

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hhc314

Just stay out of the Blue Zones in California. Most of the rest of the state is pretty nice and can be a good place to raise a family, or live.

Gunner, Red Zone, California

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner

You mean the Russians ? or the Alaskans ? or just who ? Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

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Martin H. Eastburn

I heard this on the radio: They need to declare one day out of the year as "Stupid Day." Everyone stays home except stupid people. They would be culled from the population by accidently killing each other.

Its like, why do they have the windshield sun-shades that have "Warning

- Remove Before Driving" printed on them? There are always stupid people.

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E.B.

I just hope SFO doesn't go the way of the French - as they are doing now. Or since they didn't learn - WATS or ... or .... I remember when they banned the rifles the State and National Guard were using - and made them keep them under special lock and key - never off the base... to the range...

Martin Martin Eastburn @ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net NRA LOH, NRA Life NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

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Martin H. Eastburn

I think MacDonald's should have two urns of coffee now, one for stupid people and one for everybody else. The one for the stupid people should be cold and the other one can be hot. That way the stupid people won't burn themselves if they buy a cup and spill it on themselves. ;)

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The Watcher

Oh, no! Gunner's hero! Someone SAVE HIM!!!!

Fat, lying, hypocrites---unite!

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sittingduck

That means you're gay. Sorry about your luck.

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sittingduck

I find this offensive and oppressive over-government -- but I gotta say that some of the swaggerwide gunslinger crap I read makes me think that handgun control really is a good idea in urban areas populated by folks who did not learn about guns while growing up other than from what they've seen on TV and in movies.

You know, like the guy who thinks he'll be ready to deal with a rude dork at Home Depot when he gets his CCW. We may have reached a point where even non-criminal urban Americans really shouldn't be allowed to bear arms because allowing them to do so presents a danger to the general populace in urban areas -- like at Home Depot.

Ain't that a hell of a note! Drunk drivers are enough of a peril, don't need hotdog gunslingers to add to the risk of everyday peacetime life.

A requirement for some rigorous tactical training (at applicant expense) and passing a situational test with popup targets before issue of permit would make me feel a lot better. Shoot one friendly or innocent, you flunk: buy another ticket, take the course again ... and again, until you pass.

It ain't as easy as it looks on TV. I would certainly seek such refresher training before I'd carry again after 40 years. It's on my ta-do list, but not very high on the list.

The training I've found costs about as much as a good handgun. I don't support abolitionist brainless ban because it won't work -- but I would strongly support mandatory training in persuit of issue.

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Don Foreman

As it stands at the moment...civilian ccw holders have a lower crime rate than do cops, and shoot the wrong person something like a tiny fraction of what the cops do.

As a side note...California requires one to requal every 2 years for their ccw..which means about 2 hours of classroom refershers, then demonstrate safegun handling and the ability to shoot a simple pistol course of fire.

Oddly enough..Ive failed to see the anti-gun crowd pointing to data to indicate that CCW holders are a threat to society..and if they had even the smallest iota of data such was fact..you can damnbetcha that they would be touting it from the roof tops.

So your concerns are unwarranted..and frankly..put you in the moderate end of the Anti-s catagory.

Oh..btw...every shoot a "shoot/dont shoot" course of fire? Few cops can do it either....

Ive aced them several times..but even in my prime..Ive wacked the "innocent" target more than once..and Im..or was...very very very good.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner Asch

But when the cops shoot an innocent it is ruled a 'justifiable shooting' by the cops own review board. I just wish I could pick my own judge & jury.

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Nick Hull

That sounds like a good idea.

I've seen no data beyond the rantings of a few on a newgroup. I'm not referring to you, by the way.

Perhaps they are. I hope so. Dont catagorize me yet, please.

That's the one I had in mind. Perhaps it needn't be as rigorous (speed) for civilians, but not shooting wrong is as important as shooting right -- the difference being in who it's important to.

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Don Foreman

Not always..depending on the jusristiction..shooting a bad guy may get a cops dick in a sling. There are no hard and fast rules to your claim..Ive seen it both ways.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

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Gunner Asch

I agree, if a cop shoots a bad guy that has paid off the chief, he is in a world of hurt ;)

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Nick Hull

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