Hypothetical situation: Let's assume you've got a glock in your pocket at a
public hearing and you won't pull it out until its time to pull the trigger.
When to act?
1) when a fella says he has a gun.
2) when a fella displays a gun.
3) when a fella waves it around the room.
4) when a fella points at somebody else.
5) when a fella shoots the ceiling etc.
6) when a fella points it at you.
7) when a fella has shot somebody.
Any other action point?
- NOPE, no Tangible threat
- Still no tangible threat
- Getting closer, I would be ready to draw
- What is his attitude and is he doing it with intent?
IS he a threat OR just a goofball who doesn't
know gun safety?
Still in the gray area. Depends on the building and what threat he poses
to me or others. If he stands there with a spreading stain in his jeans
and looks at the gun with a deer in the headlights look I wouldn't drop
him. BUT if he states that You FU&*ING BETTER BELIEVE I'LL KILL YOU..
then pulls the trigger, give him a double tap to the center of mass.
We have a WINNER!
DHRT (Drop Him Right There)
The key here is "public hearing"- in NY there are real cops in the room and
they may just decide that your gun is a threat (or that you are also a
nutjob) in which case you lose.
-Carl (spelled korrectly)
6 for sure, and RFN. In MN, 7 only if the guy who got shot was
close enough to you that you reasonably believe yourself to be
in grave mortal danger. You may not legally defend or avenge others
in MN, only yourself.
The best way to get an informed answer here is from local law
enforcement and from the cognizent prosecutor -- probably the county
attorney. You would certainly be talking to them after you pulled
i wanted to ask you guys, but it was OT, recently there was an incident
reported in the local newspaper here where some kids bought a CO2 BB gun and
were driving around and shooting people from their car. the final incident
was when they shot a guy in the eye. he lost his eye.
i wanted to ask you, in that situation, would a common citizen get in
trouble if he SHOT BACK?
1) what if he killed the kid doing the shooting?
2) what if he wounded one of the other kids in the car?
3) what if he KILLED one of the other kids in the car?
4) would a common citizen have the right to shoot back if being fired upon
with a BB gun?
i'm curious. i was VERY pissed when i read this article and i hope they
absolutely throw the book at that little punkass bastard.
I chair my town's Board of Appeals. I've always assumed the skirt
around the front of the table in our Town Hall's meeting room was a
courtesy to the women who sit at the table. But perhaps its real
purpose is to provide a place to hide .
You say "public hearing". If the building is a court house and you are a
civilian carrying, you are on already in a bad situation. With a choice
between presenting a weapon in a situation that is a felony to have one,
it would have to be #6 and probably in the order of 7,6 as in he has
already shot someone else.
I am not sure about other government buildings - Post Office, and
courthouses are really bad places to be carrying.
i don't know if this is supposed to be a secret but i know of a court room
that was dismantled, the judge's bench had "level IV" armor plate sandwiched
inside the wood paneling. yeah, i'd think it's a place for him to hide if
At this point is when you make ready and have it hidden beside you.
* see footnote
At this point you pump 2 center of mass and one in his head.
Continue as needed.
* Depends on who he is, his demeanor and who the person he is pointing
his weapon at. If its your loved one..there is absolutely nothing
unsporting about blowing his brain matter across the room at this
point, or shooting him in the back through the spine and heart.
Just make sure of the backstop behind the gun waver. Pumping several
though his COM and having them hit an innocent behind him is
considered bad form.
Having incoming rounds, no matter if no Bang...tends to put me in fear
for my life. At that point, I would likely return fire. If others in
the vehicle beside the shooter were killed, shrug..tough. All the
occupants would likely be charged with murder, as a death occurred in
the commission of their crime.
Now if I KNEW it was a pellet gun, I may treat the situation somewhat
differently. Or not. The State would have to prove beyond any shadow
of a doubt I knew it wasn't a silenced .22
Btw..when returning fire at a moving vehicle..aim at the front edge of
the doors. Its an effective lead distance and even if you hit the door
frame, tends to ricocheted jagged pieces of bullet and metal into the
Here in California, a few years ago..the was a rumor of a service guy,
minding his own business, driving along at night on a freeway, when a
car pulled up beside him and the passenger brandished a weapon. He
slammed on the brakes as a shot was fired, passing his windshield. At
which point he returned fire from a quartering position, with a large
caliber handgun, repeatedly, while alleged to have aimed for the back
of the passenger and drivers seats through the rear passenger door.
The Bad Guys car suddenly lost speed and ran along the K rail until it
stopped. The service guy simply continued on his way and not long
after changed the barrel on his .45 and Certexed the fireing pin and
ejector and extractor
One of those unsolved California Freeway Shootings as I recall it.
2 killed, 1 injured (rear passenger)
A Darwin Event apparently. Shrug
Least..that was the rumor. I head it from a friend of a friend, from
some ones brother in law who heard it from...... Allegedly the service
guy fixed adult toys in a house of ill repute. Shrug again.
Adult Toys? Sounds like that would be metalworking machinery. What
lathes & such would be doing in a house of ill repute is beyond me,
Does anyone on this ng repair metalworking machinery?
Township meeting continues without incident after gun threat
West Central Tribune
Published Thursday, March 13, 2008
DASSEL - A threat regarding guns at the Dassel Township Board meeting on
Tuesday evening is under investigation by the Meeker County Sheriff's
According to Sheriff Mike Hirman, deputies were posted at the board meeting
after a township board member's home was called with the threat. The meeting
continued without incident.
While the meeting was happening, around 8:40 p.m. Tuesday, someone called a
board member's home and an adult male voice asked for the board member. When
told he was at the meeting, the caller made a bizarre statement that he
should have stayed home because there will be guns at the meeting.
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Deputies responded and were posted inside of the meeting and outside of the
building. Additional deputies were in the area during and after the meeting.
They also searched the building and grounds and gathered information.
Anyone with information is encouraged to call the sheriff's office at
320-693-5400 or 1-866-333-3366, call the TIP line at 320-693-5411 or go to
on the Internet.
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