The Antikythera Mechanism - rebuilt 100 BCE analog computer

Franklin himself gave a hint to your question. Gunner clipped the quote just before this:

"There is no country in the world where so many provisions are established for them; so many hospitals to receive them when they are sick or lame, founded and maintained by voluntary charities; so many alms-houses for the aged of both sexes, together with a solemn general law made by the rich to subject their estates to a heavy tax for the support of the poor. Under all these obligations, are our poor modest, humble, and thankful; and do they use their best endeavours to maintain themselves, and lighten our shoulders of this burthen? -- On the contrary..."

Gunner, I have "The Velikovsky Affair" Edited by Alfred deGrazia . I bought this back in the 70s (I think) when there was the big flap over Worlds in Collision which I had read as well as Earth in Upheaval and the other one ? .(Ah! Ages in Chaos) If you would like to read it I'll be glad to ship it to you. I followed the Pense' articles also. I still think it's one of the biggest "black eyes" the scientific community has ever had. It makes Copernicus 's recantation by the Catholic church look like a grade school brawl. ...Lew...

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or about Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:11:37 -0800 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

Wild ain't it? Not only is the world stranger than we imagine, but sometimes stranger than we can imagine. Which scares me not one iota. (Although I keep in mind that while a lot of"crazy" theories proved to be true, far more were proved to be crazy.)

I ran into Velikovsky reading what's his name book "Chariot of the Gods". Don't bother - when he can't even get straight something from the Hebrew Bible (mislocating an even by about six books and 500 years

+/-) the rest of his research is suspect. On a side note, I've had several books which purport to demonstrate that the activities in the Pentateuch were inspired by Aliens & Flying Saucers. 'Sufficiently high enough technology is indistinguishable from magic' but doesn't address the question of "quo bono?" But I read Velikovsky, and went "wow" - and thought little more of it. Now ... Wow! Farm out and all the rest. Truly God has created an awe inspiring universe.

- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

As much as they want to claim they are objective, the followers of Scientism are just as adamant about Enforcing Orthodoxy as the establishment was in the time of Gallello.

- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Gallello! Ah! Yes. That is what happens when you get OLD. :-)

...Lew...

Yah...I got that impression from the article.

Ill look for the book online. If I cant find it..Ill borrow it from you.

And thanks!

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

Sorry, my spell checker went to publick skwel "Galileo Galilei" - known to his friends as Crazy Eddie.

tschus pyotr

- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Let the Record show that "Michael A. Terrell" on or about Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:50:07

-0500 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

That took some hacking around to figure out ... thanks. Now all I need is the time to read all them books. Sigh - "So many books, so little time."

- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

Give me some clue...I keep getting a "cannot find server"

Gunner

"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Benjamin Franklin, /The Encouragement of Idleness/, 1766

Let the Record show that Gunner Asch on or about Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:03:06 -0800 did write/type or cause to appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:

I googled "itks-training.com Ganymede.pdf>" and eventual got here.

Usual caveat about editing the %20 to single blank spaces.

- pyotr filipivich We will drink no whiskey before its nine. It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!