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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 09:53:41 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner Asch quickly quoth:

Isn't your statement somewhat of an oxymoron, G? Or is the latter portion an example of the latter of Pete's 2 statements?

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It is also spread over a longer period of time. The energy that your shoulder absorbs is equal to that energy which is imparted on the bullet. The bullet continues to increase in speed (pick up more energy) until it leaves the barrel.

wrong, it is momentum that is equal in absolute value (and has opposite sign tot he momentum of the bullet), but energies are different.

yes

Huh?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

The calibre of a gun is not the diameter of the projectile..

7.62mm does not equate to .308" 7.62 relates to the .30 calibre bore which it shares with a myriad of cartridges which also use a .308 projectile. 30.06, .30 Rem, 30-30Win, .300 Sav. etc etc.. That Winchester went against convention when they named the .308 is beside the point, this is a metalworking newsgroup and you made a sloppy statement. Please step up! :-) As for firing the weapon in particular, where I come from it was standard issue, albeit Australian made, so possibly my experience may exceed yours..:-( BTW, the 5.56 Nato also relates to the calibre rather than the bullet diameter..

Tom

Which way around?

Mark Rand RTFM

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 17:18:05 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm, Gunner Asch quickly quoth:

Gold star good. Kmart crap bad. (Unless you're looking for lower velocity ammo?)

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Too true Tom. But often ballisticians (or at the least the US ones) (and marketing wonks) consider groove diameter, rather than purely bore diameter to be the deciding/naming convention factor, so there is indeed some sloppy terminology. It is indeed a .30 caliber, using a .308 diameter bullet. As far as going against convention..then perhaps so did the originators of the .243, the 270, the .223, the .257 Roberts, the 264 Mag, the 375 H&H, and so forth? Oddly enough..its the Euros that do the bore diameter thingy..the 303 Brit, the 6/7/8 mms...and then of course..the 6.5s

As far as possibly exceeding my experience..unless you have fired more than somerwhere over 80,000 rounds through the Fals...shrug

Your L1A1 is an interesting rifle, able to accept inch or metric magazines.

Btw..Ive several Lithgow SMLEs in the collection.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Rim outwards of course. What hits first?

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

hey now! I buy my Winchester Wildcats at K-mart! And those are the rounds that got me all those pins and neat ribbons, shooting them out of the Anshutz Match 54. Goofy damned thing likes .99c a box Wildcats better than $6 a box Eley Match.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Well I'm glad we've got that sorted. However I'm at a loss as to why you would have fired so much through such a weapon. My expenditure of ammo was courtesy of the military where the rifle was regarded as the "mechanical musket" not anyone's favourite weapon and one never bothered to keep count especially when using the L2A1 version..

Tom

I've read damned few books of that nature in my lifetime. I'm not keen on reading unless it's something that interests me, and I'm more inclined to read books that instruct me in things that I desire to learn, but on the recommendation of a long past friend, I read the book Karamojo Safari. It's been so damned many years since I read it that my memory is not good, but one of the things I recall is that Bell shot over 1,000 elephants, almost always 1 shot kills, and with nothing larger than a 7 mm rifle. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. In the book, comments were made how he would stand on the body of a fallen elephant to shoot another.

As Iggy said, I'm also against such slaughter, but it's interesting that such a small weapon is so effective against such large game. Makes me wonder why I needed the .458 Magnum Ackley built for me in the late 50's.

Harold

Clearly, you don't. Please send it to me immediately. ;)

I was told it was a perfectly effective elephant gun, which I firmly believe. Since owning it, I've not been plagued by so much as one of them. :-)

Harold

I entered into a lot of combat rifle matches, "practical rifle shooting"/tactical rifle: Some examples:

And did a fair amount of practice..and taught a few classes to various select individuals and small groups.

I was buying 7.62 Nato, by the double spam cans each month for a few years. Shrug..it was cheaper then..and I was in better financial shape too...shrug again. Not to mention better physical shape..some of those courses were pretty physical. Matchs often included current SWAT guys, currerent and former mercs, and fellow travelers. Most were by invitation only, and seldom open to the public. Bunch of hard assed shooters competing against each other..with me..the harmless lovable fuzzball, sorta along for the ride.

When California put the Fal on the banned list..I sold all of mine out of state rather than registering them. Now Ive got "California Legal" toys. FN-49 is an interesting arm, when properly setup and so forth.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Ayup..those were far different days with a different outlook. Much of what Bell shot went to the nearest starving village so it wasnt a waste. Bell was also a superlative shot and could put that lil bullet EXACTLY where he wanted it. Fred Bear killed a couple elephants with a bow and arrow. One shot kills.

However..the key is to let the critters hold one, exactly in the right place when they are not trying to stomp you into mush. Once you let em get the wind up...all bets are off with dangerous game. Esicmos have killed polar bears for years with 22mag and 22 hornet rifles for years. But then...the bad shots..and the unlucky didnt make it home..so they tended to be weeded out of the gene pool sooner or later. Polar bears are one of the few animals that will actively hunt you, while you are actively hunting them.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner

Reminds me of one of my wierdest moments ever (and no, I wasn't doing drugs). Some of my friends and I were swattting tennis balls around at Alvin Junior College one night in the late '60's-early '70's when I happened to glance toward the northeast. Bearing down on us at a fast clip was a full grown elephant. I hollered at my friends, and everybody turned to watch dumbstruck. Within a few seconds the thing was getting pretty close, and I was trying to decide which way to run. At that point, a voice called Harry!....Harry!....Damn it Harry, you get back here right now!!! That last was roared by somebody really pissed off. At that, the elephant skidded to a halt about 30 yards away, turned right around, and went shuffling back to his trainer.

I didn't notice the small circus at the strip mall 'til after, as the pucker factor diminished.

Pete Keillor

Ha! That be that case, it's a perfect reason to have the .458, a decision I've never regretted, although it's never killed anything worthy of mention. One porcupine, which, today, would have been enjoyed as a living creature instead. We all grow up eventually. :-)

Harold

Have you read the Jim Corbett books on maneaters in Northern India in the early part of the 20th century? Absolutely chilling - some of the tigers & one leopard had over 400 humans killed before he got them. I'll never forget his assertion that "Man has just one advantage over the tiger - the tiger thinks that Man can smell, so will ALWAY approach you downwind" he then goes on to explain how tricky this makes susbsequent events when you happen to be following a trail UPWIND

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