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Dave, have a look at:

there's a good selection there for you and fairly well described. I use TurboCad myself (a bough-and-paid for version), but even the Lite version is pretty good I believe.

Mike in British Columbia, Canada

Thanks, I will have a look.

Dave. ~~ Customise your internet experience

"Dave"

I don't know anything about using these proffesionaly but I found the free packages harder to use than autocad, autocad is all pretty easy to use, not a lot you can't do with a pline. So if you can get something that is like autocad or uses the same commands that's probably a good starting point..

if you want 3d solidworks is pretty simple to use.

-- richard

Yes but rather pricey for amateur use?

Russell.

At around £ 4,000 a copy it's not exactly cheap for professional use... and maintenance is extra.... :-(

Mind you there are places that sell it at £ 40... :-)

-- Jonathan

Barnes's theorem; for every foolproof device there is a fool greater than the proof.

To reply remove AT

I found a copy openly on sale in a shop during a business trip to Malaysia. I seem to remeber it was about £2!

Russell.

: >Mind you there are places that sell it at £ 40... :-) : I found a copy openly on sale in a shop during a business trip to : Malaysia. I seem to remeber it was about £2! : : Russell.

It is not much different to shop lifting!

All readers of the NG are cautioned that possession of software for which you do not have a bona-fide licence is a criminal offence.

No it isn't. Wrong again, as per.

Stupid Boy.

So that covers EVERYTHING does it Shit for Brains ??

I have a copy of quite an expensive piece of software on my computer at present, about 5K. I have the genuine install disk in the drawer. I have the genuine manual on the shelf. BUT I don't own the program or have paid for it, or intend to [it's not a demo ]

Now while you are trying to make your unemployment giro stretch a bit further, work that out, you little grey person. They ought to nail you to shithouse doors instead of those rather drab AIDS notices.

Are you going to Harrogate BTW? I can meet you at the Blackgates stand and entertain you for lunch ?

-- Regards,

John Stevenson Nottingham, England.

Indeed you are.

The helpful article you refer to was obviously written by someone who understands the business of EULAs ( that's End User License Agreements ) - and refers to the illegal USE of software.

The user is not bound by the EULA until they accept the terms ( hence the little message that comes up saying 'Do you accept? Yes/No?' ).

What you said, and I quote, was: " possession of software for which you do not have a bona-fide licence is a criminal offence. "

Note - possession, as opposed to USE.

It is quite possible for a person to unknowingly possess an illegal copy of a software application ( it may have been bought it in good faith from an apparently reputable dealer ), and only find out that they are not entitled to use it once they read the EULA. In which case they are required to proceed no further with installation.

Indeed, by your reckoning, everyone who downloads a shareware application becomes an instant criminal - given that there will be a period of ownership before the licence is bought.

Now, I understand we all realise that your perception of consumer law is woefully sketchy at best - and much ( oh, very much! ) laughter is had at your expense over your ineptitude...so don't you think it's a bit rich for you to be dishing out legal advice, especially when you can't even get the words right?

I think you can scratch 'legal eagle' off your very short list of things you aspire to.

Shouldn't yopu sign that as Rex?

You need to revise your knowledge (or lack of it) upon the matter of copyright law pretty sharpish, OM

Try and follow up the actions of Trading Standards Officers in car boot sales, and you will find that your rather infantile desperation to want to cause offence has once again made you look a silly fool.

Stupid boy.

(Other readers of this NG are cautioned against taking the advice of Mr.Howard on this and other legal issues.)

A lot of EULA's won't stand up in court. I have taken one on and won without going to court.

I also have another piece of software here Vector CAD/CAM still in it's sealed paper CD cover which states, and I read:-

"I accept the terms of the Centriforce license agreement when I break this seal, or use the software. ( See inside front manual cover )"

The manual is on the CD

Could you image that going to court.

-- Regards,

John Stevenson Nottingham, England.

How does changing the subject to "trading in illegal software" make your original statement less wrong?

Even in the face of a pertinent example where your argument falls down, you still cling on to it.

Your 'one size fits all' legal advice is like the rest of your inane spew - utterly worthless.

I've seen some of the hoo-hah going on about these badly worded EULAs...it's quite similar to those disclaimers you see in corporate emails, whereby you 'have' to agree to non-disclosure etc. They bung them at the end of the email, which effectively means that you aren't given the option to decline the terms.. having already read the email.

The only court that would uphold it would be one presided over by Judge Bean...who'd be kept busy prosecuting himself due to people slipping shareware floppies into his Tellytubbies sandwich box.

Regards,

My original statement was in response to a posting discussing £2 illegal copies from the Far East, and was quite correct.

All my further comments are quite correct - you need to have a valid licence for all software that you have installed. Sometimes that licence may be a universal licence, as in the case of freeware, but you still need that licence.

You seem determined to want to utter statements that are offensive, and, as such, you show yourself to be of rather an infantile disposition.

I am surprised that you behave in such a way, and at the same time advertising your "business". Perhaps your infantile behaviour is indicative of the way that intending customers of yours will be treated?

Stupid boy.

You seem to be determined to utter statements that are offensive. Such behaviour on your part is rather silly and infantile.

Shame on you.

I am surprised that you behave in such an infantile manner while at the same time advertising your "business". No doubt there are many intending customers of yours who will be put off by unstable behaviours such as you exhibit below.

Stupid boy.

As to your other comments below, whereas there are some aspects of an EULA that are unenforceable in a civil case, that is no defence against the criminal matter of you, or anyone, using software for which they do not have a licence.

(Other readers of this NG are cautioned against accepting the legal advice that Mr.Howard offers)