Do many people still pay long-distance charges? For many years we've had
plans with "free" nationwide calling. For a while when kids were in school
out of state we had a WATS line so they could fall us free. I cancelled it
later because I was getting too many calls from Puerto Rico where the
callers couldn' speak English.
In the UK there are various deals which include calls on landlines and
mobiles but there are local and long distance changes if you don't make
use of them, at least on landlines. The deals don't (generally) cover
international calls. 'Roaming' is now included on mobiles, at least in
the EU, although many companies off packages which include other
countries. The exact rules etc vary from company to company.
The phone company has no incentive to make this work better for users.
Their profits are regulated and they have no competition. I have a place in
a very rural area and when I first bought it computers used dial up. I got
very lucky and there was a local exchange that was not quite as local as the
others so I could reach a provider. Otherwise it would have been a non-long
distance toll call. For many others on the other side of the lake it was a
toll call. It's still that way some 30 years later. TPC has no incentive
to increase the non-toll region even though it costs them nothing in
equipment which was upgraded decades ago. They just have to change their
The phone company better get some incentive. They are probably loosing
lots due to the cell phones and now to the internet phones. Neither of
them seem to charge extra for what is usually a long distance call.
The phone bill was about $ 20 but taxes and LD connect and other fees
made it around $ 40 per month. If you add caller ID and a few other
things , it will cost even more. Most of that is 'free' with the $ 30
internet phone I am now using.
You seem to fail to understand how "the phone company" operates. They have
capital investment. A regulatory board allows them a certain profit based
on that capital investment. If they make too little profit they can request
rate changes of the regulatory board. TPC doesn't lose money.
I think I understand how they work. It is they better change the way
they work while there are still some that will use the land lines. If
people can get good service via the internet phone or just the cell
phones, why would they even want a land line at a price much higher than
the internet phone ?
The phone companies have been around for many years and have a mind set.
If they do not change it, they will be out of business. Some are trying
to get into the internet business. In a town near me the town put in
fiber optic cable trying to make money. The local cable company boosted
the rates of down load speed to keep the people on them. Not too long
ago the lowest speed was 25, then went to 100, and is now at 200. I am
getting about 230 on most speed tests now. Not that that much speed is
needed in many cases, but it sure beats the DSL from the phone companies
That has happened to so many companies - Tweeter, Circuit City, Radio
Shack... it almost happened to Best Buy and could still happen to old
chains like J.C. Pennys, Sears and K-Mart.
Companies which don't keep up with the rest of the world fail eventually.
Remove the "x" from my email address
Even a public utility is no guarentee.
California Power and LIght (think that is the name, or close) went
under. I don't know all the details about it but I do know I lost about
$ 2000 worth of stock that I had invested in them. The company
continued to produce poewr,but the owners (stock holders) lost
They don't care if you have service or not. There will always be companies
with many hard lines to pay their bills.
Ain't gonna happen.
230 what? 230 Mbps would be insanely fast and 230 kbps is insanely slow. I
have around 7 Mbps peak and I'm happy with that. I can watch movies all day
long and do anything I need. It's been a while since I've tried to download
the GB of so it takes for the latest copy of FPGA development tools.
I guess you don't have to wait long for web pages to load. Some pages with
a lot of "fluff" content (video, images, overlays) take a bit to load here.
It never occurred to me it was download time vs. just browser time. Do you
see the same things?
I'm in the middle of no and where. There's no cable. I was lucky enough to
get a wireless provider who doesn't sell a cell phone like plan with data
caps, etc. The PC software says I use around 60 GB a month which would be a
major extra charge with most wireless providers.
I just checked at http://www.speedtest.net/ and it is 236 Mbps down and
11.9 Mbps up.
That is just the starting speed here. It is in and around a small town
in North Carolina. About a year ago it was 25 Mbps downlink for the
basic rate. Now they are advertising 100 Mbps as the starting speed on
the web site,but a television commercial was stating 200 Mbps as the
basic speed for a larger town about 20 miles away.
I think much of the speed hold up now is not on this end, but how fast
the sites on the internet can get their data uploaded to the internet.
I don't download that many large files, but downloaded a copy of
Microsoft Office 16 or 2016 or something like that to a laptop that was
connected wireless at my house at 65 Mbps. Took almost no time. I
remember trying to use the phone modems at 14.4K baud or whatever and
downloading just a 1 or 2 megabit file and it taking around an hour.
That was called rate of return regulation. In the US, only little
rural telcos still do that. Big phone companies have negotiated price
caps instead, which give them a new incentive to invest as little as
possible in the regulated network.
For the most part, mobile phone rates aren't regulated at all.
John Levine, firstname.lastname@example.org, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
You are confused. The cell phone companies are in a different business.
Verizon may own a public telephone company, but most of the US has public
phone companies owned by someone else. The phone companies providing
landline phone service are still regulated entities regardless of who owns
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