I did, being quite certain that once again, you would be proven clueless
about government agencies. Guess what? The BLM DOES charge them. I
guess we know who the liar is.
Looks like your track record with government agencies is intact.
-Kevin
Personal attccks aside, what is the policy?
You must find it supremely convient to ignore everything I might say.
The "founder" and all :) FWIW 0
Jerry
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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to: snipped-for-privacy@gte.net>
How. Buy asking if I may attend, saying "please". And having the
President of the sponsoring national association say "yes".
??
Besides even the general public at large were invited to attend per
posters at the local stores.
I do seem to be a member of the general public at large.
Besides, what would be the purpose of sending a team of three large guys
to forceably remove a spectator who has said or done nothing since
arrival?
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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to: snipped-for-privacy@gte.net>
The purpose would be to remove a member who had created problems in the
past, in order to pre-emptively prevent them from happening that time.
You are obviously referring to something that happened to you, and I
have no knowledge of what their basis was to remove you, but to simply
ask that question shows that you don't "get it".
I was a member of another 'user group' who had a member who went bananas
for a while, forcing a schism in the group. The individual in question
would try and disrupt meetings and the business of the group (to the
point were a security guard was hired to protect the secretary). You
can bet your bottom dollar that every time that individual showed up,
that he was told to leave, and that if/when he didn't do so, the police
were called for trespassing.
The same is true of a 'public' launch -- it's only public insofar as
those who have permission from the 'owner' of the property deem it so.
If it is on BLM land, and a permit has been granted for a specific area,
then they have the 'right' to keep anyone at all from 'trespassing'
within the event parameters.
If you were asked to leave some launch, for real or imagined reasons,
the proper response is to either a) not go, or b) change the behavior
that caused you to be ejected in the first place. I think/believe that
you may have gone with option c) to do your own/attend others launches.
Regardless, it is naive/juvenile to give the "little old me wasn't doing
anything, why were they picking on me???" mantra.
David Erbas-White
None of your "criteria" for removal (trespassing) were activated then or
ever.
You can speculate otherwise but it would not be the case.
And at what point does my saying please and the TRA President saying YES
have any weight at LDRS-2001, a TRA event?
Hmmm?
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Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to: snipped-for-privacy@gte.net>
It has weight when the President of the organization is actually,
physically running the event. Barring that, it is up to whoever is in
charge of that specific event.
Depending upon the organizational structure, the President of TRA can
either a) do nothing, or b) remove/replace the individual in charge, or
c) remove TRA sponsorship of the event.
That is how hierarchies/bureaucracies work. You know it, you weren't
born yesterday. As a different example, if Mark Bundick (as NAR
President) were to direct Fred Shecter (as RSO at SCRA) to do something
at an SCRA launch that Fred did not believe was legal/acceptable, it
would be Fred's call, not Bunny's, that would prevail.
Again, you're playing games to make it look like you're the victim
here. You're not. You simply refuse to play by the rules of society --
both the overarching rules of society in general (witness the DOT
incident) and the rocketry society in particular (witness -- ahh, forget
it).
David "why does it feel like my head is banging against a wall" Erbas-White
It was the local club that hosted the launch, and the host club ejected
you. That's what comes of making a jerk of yourself at both the local
and national levels. Too bad it's not an Olympic event, you'd win gold.
Most launches are open the public. It's possible some might have a fee
for spectators, but that would be the exception, not the rule. Usually
only flyers have to pay a fee.
You'd be surprised at how simple this stuff is! A good high power
rocket kit can be assembled without anything more sophisticated than
sandpaper, glue, and an X-acto knife. The motors go together quickly
and easily too -- it takes more work to open a pickle jar than it does
to screw a reload into a motor. Folks at rocket launches are friendly
and helpful, and I've never met a rocketeer yet who wouldn't be willing
to help with setting up or recovering the rocket.
T
On 23 Jun 2005 00:40:08 -0700, " snipped-for-privacy@aol.com"
That's one of the beautiful things about this hobby. You can *always*
find someone willing to help. And most are even willing to loan you
equipment so that you can have a successful flight.
Eldred
You also find yourself being on your best behavior (most do...), because
when you see all the helpful work being done, you feel so guilty you
have to be the same way yourself... <G>
David Erbas-White
The Aerotech kits are particularly easy to assemble.
That too. It's pretty easy to find a youngster who is more than willing to
chase rockets for you. Or you can get Ky "Rocketman" to customize your
wheelchair for you :-)
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
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