CFR concerning PAD's

27CFR55 is now 27CFR555, as of 4/1/03.

See 27CFR555.141 below, it looks essentially unchanged from 27CFR55.141, in particular 27CFR555.141(a)8

----------------------------------------------------------- [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 27, Volume 2] [Revised as of April 1, 2003] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 27CFR555.141]

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TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FIREARMS CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 555--COMMERCE IN EXPLOSIVES--Table of Contents

Subpart H--Exemptions

Sec. 555.141 Exemptions.

(a) General. Except for the provisions of Secs. 555.180 and 555.181, this part does not apply to: (1) Any aspect of the transportation of explosive materials via railroad, water, highway, or air which is regulated by the U.S. Department of Transportation and its agencies, and which pertains to safety. For example, regulations issued by the Department of Transportation addressing the security risk of aliens transporting explosives by commercial motor or railroad carrier from Canada preclude the enforcement of 18 U.S.C. 842(i)(5) against persons shipping, transporting, receiving, or possessing explosives incident to and in connection with the commercial transportation of explosives by truck or rail from Canada into the United States. Questions concerning this exception should be directed to ATF's Public Safety Branch in Washington, DC. (2) The use of explosive materials in medicines and medicinal agents in the forms prescribed by the official United States Pharmacopeia or the National Formulary. ``The United States Pharmacopeia and The National Formulary,'' USP and NF Compendia, are available from the United States Pharmacopeial Convention, Inc., 12601 Twinbrook Parkway, Rockville, Maryland 20852.

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(3) The transportation, shipment, receipt, or importation of explosive materials for delivery to any agency of the United States or to any State or its political subdivision. (4) Small arms ammunition and components of small arms ammunition. (5) The manufacture under the regulation of the military department of the United States of explosive materials for, or their distribution to or storage or possession by, the military or naval services or other agencies of the United States. (6) Arsenals, navy yards, depots, or other establishments owned by, or operated by or on behalf of, the United States. (7) The importation, distribution, and storage of fireworks classified as UN0336, UN0337, UN0431, or UN0432 explosives by the U.S. Department of Transportation at 49 CFR 172.101 and generally known as ``consumer fireworks'' or ``articles pyrotechnic.'' (8) Gasoline, fertilizers, propellant actuated devices, or propellant actuated industrial tools manufactured, imported, or distributed for their intended purposes. (9) Industrial and laboratory chemicals which are intended for use as reagents and which are packaged and shipped pursuant to U.S. Department of Transportation regulations, 49 CFR Parts 100 to 177, which do not require explosives hazard warning labels. (b) Black powder. Except for the provisions applicable to persons required to be licensed under subpart D, this part does not apply with respect to commercially manufactured black powder in quantities not to exceed 50 pounds, percussion caps, safety and pyrotechnic fuses, quills, quick and slow matches, and friction primers, if the black powder is intended to be used solely for sporting, recreational, or cultural purposes in antique firearms, as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(16) or antique devices, as exempted from the term ``destructive devices'' in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4).

[T.D. ATF-87, 46 FR 40384, Aug. 7, 1981 as amended by T.D. ATF-87, 46 FR 46916, Sept. 23, 1981; T.D. ATF-293, 55 FR 3722, Feb. 5, 1990; T.D. ATF- 387, 62 FR 8377, Feb. 25, 1997; T.D. ATF-400, 63 FR 45003, Aug. 24, 1998; ATF No. 1, 68 FR 13792, Mar. 20, 2003]
Reply to
Ed
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8) Gasoline, fertilizers, propellant actuated devices, or propellant actuated industrial tools manufactured, imported, or distributed for their intended purposes.

So is not a rocket also a propellant actuated industrial tool as well as a pad ?

Reply to
AlMax714

Yes of course.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Actually, the effective date was 24 Jan. 2003, it just took the GPO a while to make the change.

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" This final rule does not make any changes to the current requirements of the regulations in 27 CFR. It merely divides the Bureau's current regulations between the new TTB and ATF."

Ed wrote:

Reply to
David Schultz

snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com (AlMax714) wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@posting.google.com:

In what way would a hobby rocket function as an industrial tool?

Reply to
David W.

hammer putting nails into the sky? transport device for remote viewing system? signaling/radiolocation marker?

Reply to
tater schuld

If the same company that makes hobby rockets also use that exact same propellant and even unit for a differnet intended purpose.

Remember BOTH industrial tools AND PADs ase exempt.

Furthermore if you are a COMPANY doing rocket research your rockets are industrial tools.

Jerry

Legal 5 ways from sunday.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Here is the actual definition in 27CFR555.11

---------------------------------------------- [Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 27, Volume 2] [Revised as of April 1, 2003] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 27CFR555.11]

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TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS AND FIREARMS CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES, DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 555--COMMERCE IN EXPLOSIVES--Table of Contents

Subpart B--Definitions

Sec. 555.11 Meaning of terms.

Propellant actuated device. Any tool or special mechanized device or gas generator system which is actuated by a propellant or which releases and directs work through a propellant charge.

Reply to
Ed

Please ask the ATF itself:

From 27 CFR 55.11, "Propellant Actuated Device. Any tool or special mechanized device or gas generator system which is actuated by a propellant or which releases and directs work through a propellant charge."

"any", "or", "or", "or"

What flaw? Specifically?

"propellant actuated"

That settles it.

"or proepllant charge"

That settles it (again).

Seriously where is your traction?

Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Maybe so, but the definition in the regs is broader than that. Note the phrase, "...or which releases and directs work through a propellant charge."

Reply to
RayDunakin

Atmospheric/barometric testing and other such sensory equipment? Aerodynamic materials/designs testing?

eh... for some of us... impact resistance?

Training tool for the space and aeronautics industries...

~Duane Phillips

Reply to
Duane Phillips

It propells a payload to altitude. Note that these PAD/PAITs are used to deploy emergency parachutes in general aviation aircraft and to throw lines to stranded ships among other things.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Reply to
Bob Kaplow

So as long a our rockets contain propellant, they fit this definition. Now if we could jsut convince the JBGTs of this little detail then Jerry wouldn't have to spout it daily...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

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Bob Kaplow

Reply to
shockwaveriderz

Which has NOT happened.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Read the ATF's argument on this issue in:

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The PAD argument starts on page 18.

After you read that, read the response:

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Reply to
David Schultz

Both of those examples are attached to something else, not propelling a non-attached vehicle. See my previous discussion about "acutators".

-John

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John DeMar

Reply to
John DeMar

hmmm...

Hi altitude video recon equipments high altitude hammers...

Reply to
tai fu

Cloud seeding, lightning rods (along with spool of thin wire), movie special effects...Right, Jerry?, post hole diggers...Kosdon was famous for digging random postholes in the desert, IIRC.

Even Estes A motors are great for putting small holes in sheet metal. When the rocket is forced onto a rod and won't budge, it makes a nice temporary blowtorch! D and E motors might even take care of the thicker deflectors...

Some teachers did that to my rack launcher a few years ago. You would think that after I told them the rocket must slide freely on the rod, that those govt. approved highly effective teachers (bless their hearts) would understand. (I teach too, so I can make fun of them!) ;)

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Tim

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