saw this in a listserv, was wondering if this is new or not.....
From the ATF web site:
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1892. COMMERCE IN EXPLOSIVES - AMENDED DEFINITION OF PROPELLANT ACTUATED
DEVICE
Priority: Other
Significant Legal Authority: 18 USC 847
CFR Citation: 27 CFR 555
Legal Deadline: None
Abstract: The Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations of
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to clarify
that the term "propellant
actuated device" does not include hobby rocket motors or rocket-motor reload
kits consisting of or containing ammonium perchlorate composite propellant
(APCP), black powder, or other similar low explosives. Timetable: Action
Date FR Cite NPRM 05/00/05"
The first word of this was in the BATFE's November status filing with the court.
They claim to have submitted this NRPM for internal review by the Department of
Justice and Office of Management and Budget last April.
I am very curious to see how they word this to exclude our favorite rocket
motors but include the rocket motors in emergency parachute systems.
tater schuld wrote:
Simple, they could word it like this:
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bullocks, I just censored my post due to the effect it might have, what was
I thinking, I must be a mad mun.
back to my bitters.
Remember all those many times I said ATF will conform the regulations to
the actions of TRA and ATF WRT requiring ATF permits for sport rocket
motors?
I told you so.
Jerry
1892. COMMERCE IN EXPLOSIVES?
AMENDED DEFINITION OF
PROPELLANT ACTUATED DEVICE
Priority: Other Significant
Legal Authority: 18 USC 847
CFR Citation: 27 CFR 555
Legal Deadline: None
Abstract: The Department of Justice is
proposing to amend the regulations of
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to
clarify that the term ??propellant
actuated device¹¹ does not include
hobby rocket motors or rocket-motor
reload kits consisting of or containing
ammonium perchlorate composite
propellant (APCP), black powder, or
other similar low explosives.
Timetable:
Action Date FR Cite
NPRM 05/00/05
Regulatory Flexibility Analysis
Required: No
Government Levels Affected: None
Agency Contact: James P. Ficaretta,
Program Manager, Department of
Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms, and Explosives, 650
Massachusetts Avenue NW,
Washington, DC 20226
Phone: 202 9278203
RIN: 1140AA24
1894. COMMERCE IN EXPLOSIVES?
EXPLOSIVE PEST CONTROL DEVICES
Priority: Substantive, Nonsignificant
Legal Authority: 18 USC 847
CFR Citation: 27 CFR 555
Legal Deadline: None
Abstract: ATF is proposing to amend
the explosive regulations to provide a
limited exemption from the
requirements of part 555 for wildlife
pest control devices that are used for
agricultural and other pest control
operations.
Timetable:
Action Date FR Cite
NPRM 01/29/03 68 FR 4402
NPRM Comment
Period End
02/28/03
Final Action 04/00/05
Regulatory Flexibility Analysis
Required: No
Small Entities Affected: No
Government Levels Affected: None
Additional Information: Transferred
from RIN 1512-AC80
Agency Contact: James Ficaretta,
Program Manager, Department of
Justice, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms, and Explosives, 650
Massachusetts Avenue NW,
Washington, DC 20226
Phone: 202 9278203
RIN: 1140AA03
Questes could care less of course as their BP rocket motors will all be
below the ATF's 62.5 gram PAD definition limit.....This PAD redefinition is
just another tightening of the ATF noose, with regards to anything that is
not a model rocket motor.... in NPRM 968 the ATF also redefined the TPD
definition Toy Propellant Devices..... to exclude the original model rocket
motors definition..... Its clear what they seek and were they are headed:
model rocket motors will be those as defined already in NFPA,
CSPC,DOT,etc........We screwed ourselves royally with the new DOT model
rocket definitions circa 94-96? If only the NAR/TRA had the foresight to
also define large and high power rocket motors then and there too...
I'm curious to see how long it will be before the ATF lights a fire under
the FAA and they get into the ACT of redefining(defining?) what a model
rocket motor is and is not....of cousre while the FAA does its NPRM, it will
restrict flights to model rocket ONLY.....for safety considerations.....then
of course all the federal regulations regarding model rocket motorss will be
in sync....anything greater than 62.5 SU will require a leup.....but thats
what the NAR/TRA has been telling us to get anyway......
shockie B)
case number 00-273
"In addition, ATF has commenced rulemaking with respect to the regulatory
definition of the term ?propellant actuated device? (?PAD?). ATF forwarded a
draft Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (?NPRM?) regarding the PAD definition to the
Department of Justice on or about April 16, 2004. ATF estimates that this NPRM
should be published in the Federal Registered on or around May 2005."
The only names on the document are lawyers:
I am trying to post this document to al.binaries.models.rockets but I am running
into my old problems with earthlink block attachments. Custumer support is being
non-supportive. :-)
I told them so!!!!!!!
Conforming to general practice.
I told you so!!!
Care to listen to, and implement, my specific club rule change proposals
now??????
Just Jerry
I only sell inert products now. I surrendered the 95% of lone rangers
TRA and AT and Magnum and NAR royally screwed.
I do "other things" now.
I got a life.
Jerry TRA #00012
I am perfectly willing to lead (dictate) a joint TRA/NAR "tiger team" to
change internal club rules as a tactic of defense (in addition to legal
manuvers).
What are my chances? I did pioneer HPR AND LMR itself.
Jerry
Ego prevails over logic in rocketry, hence my tag line on EVERY post I
EVER make.
blather.
How was the earthquake at the epicenter Brian?
How is the flood?
Still have people at Lytle Creek? 19 inches rain in 2 days and stuck for
13 days?
They need a friggin' bridge.
Jerry
All the other BS aside. All of you, good luck and take care of
yourselves. Mother nature seems to be reminding us again how small and
insignificant we and our endeavors are, in the overall scheme of things.
Fred
No doubt. Feel for you folks that got flooded out on the left coast.
Happened to me big time in '87. Lost 99% of everything I owned
including my complete rocket collection. Motors(FSI and Crown) too ;/
Ironicly here in MN I haven't had to shovel the driveway yet and I up
until today still was seeing grass.
Things will dry up eventually.....
Ted Novak
TRA#5512
IEAS#75
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