Discovery Channel Saucer

Apr 06, 2005 60 Replies

Bad for the hobby? Not a chance. Part of enjoying this hobby is learning, and enjoying your experience. I firmly believe Emily learned a bunch (along with many others) with that flight which would never have happened if the No Police had stepped in. You know the type, the small section of the hobby which doesn't allow anyone to try to learn by failure, sky is falling type of folks. Nothing is learned by being told no, and thankfully the No Police were elsewhere when this flight came to the head of the line.

Have you every heard "you're gonna trash your rocket I'm not gonna let you do it"? How ludicrous is that? Let them learn.

Emily, I'll fly with ya any day kid, keep learning and hopefully you won't run into the No Police to inhibit your learning. There is a time when common sense rules and it appears this was one of those times.

No means No fun, no creativity and no learning. Don't say no. :-)

Chuck

Thanks for clearing that up 'Daddy-o' (Mark) Didn't mean for Em to get tangled up in this web of insults.....

Clint "I'm going out to get a snitch" Cash

Too much time on your hands :)

Oh my, the sky IS falling.

Did they find the perpetrator?

Soon I won't want to go out of my house.

Chuck

I guess he's not going to make a complaint any-time soon!!!

I agree with Woddy 100%

But the one thing in the 3 hour series that REALLY bugged me, and should never be allowed by anyone running an HPR launch was our own (Chicago area) Tim Lehr. Every time you seem prepping or setting up that big honken cluster rocket, he's got a cigarette in his mouth. Incredibly stupid and dangerous. As long as we're dealing with AFT regulated materials, there MUST be a no smoking zone for 50' around any place where regulated materials might be kept. Which makes the entire parking, prep, checkin, and range head a NO SMOKING zone.

Having that show up on the TV show is abslutely inexcusable.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

The owner of Composite Dynamics (1972 verson) did that all the time. No problem. Lots of explosives guys smoke around the explosives. They are not a burn hazard. Motors are hard to ignite.

But since we are NOT, that rule does NOT apply. If it is even a rule.

Jerry

ROTFL!

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Harry did some pretty bizare things in his day, and always enjoyed pushing the envelope. As long as you did it within the safety code.

If anything is making him spin in his grave today, it's the BATFE...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

To be paddled with a sheet of 3/23 balsa...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

At a launch on the rural farm with 5-10 people present, absolutely.

At a national event with a thousand people AND THE PRESS present, with an unproven experimental design that the fliers own L3 father expected to fail? NFW!

NO means I don't think that this rocket is safe to fly HERE and NOW. No means no danger. No means no accidents. If you can't say NO, and do it gracefully, you don't belong in the job.

Would they have said NO to Jerry Irvine if he showed up with the same rocket? In a second.

John Cato would call this "Launch Fever". NASA had "launch fever" the morning of 28-Jan-1986... We can't allow ourselves to have "Launch Fever". As Bunny often points out, since G. Harry launched his first model rocket, we've been `one serious accident' away from having our hobby wiped out for good. "Launch Fever" is exactly the way to get there.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

How do you get chalk to work on grass?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

It wasn't chalk, it was primer.

Obviously, you've never had to stripe a soccer field...

David Erbas-White

Bob you'd get drummed out of here in a heartbeat where we launch. Or you'd have to bury your head in the sand a lot. BTW the press showed up with a helicopter to record the launch once. A real helicopter.

It's a terrible thing letting a kid fail, eh? Or as I would put it, it's something to see a kid learn from failure.

Bob there are folks who can't put their alts in correctly, but it is assumed they did. Who is more dangerous? A flight which is a 'heads up' or a supposedly normal flight landing balistic 5 feet from someone loading on a different rack? Give me the known, I'll prepare, the unknown is that one accident away you talk of later. Standing around during a ballistic failure with no aspect ratio is one of the few things which scare me in this hobby.

I missed the line of reasoning here.

This wasn't NASA, don't exaggerate. This was a small flight which was a KNOWN heads up and precautions were taken.

We can't allow ourselves to have "Launch Fever".

I guess if everyone stays home that would satisfy you? I guess 'Bunny' has to be conservative, if he was head of the RC airplane group he'd already have handed over the hobby.

"Launch Fever" is exactly the way to get there.

I doubt this little flight can be construed or misconstrued as 'launch fever', except by that little group off to the side.

Then we would have taken G out to behind the woodshed and worked him over until he got a first name.

Chuck

Bob, I had a whole diatribe for ya, but decided I'd make it much simpler. Given a choice between flying with you or the kid, I'll fly with the kid.

Chuck

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