I may not think much of him, but at least I spell his mname right. Kelly.
One "E".
BTW, I've been flying rockets since 1964, just over 4 decades and personally
know (or knew) every one you mentioned. I was never a member of RRS nor have
I been to Black Rock.
BTW^2, do you have a name, or just a foul mouth?
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf
www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org
This is a country which stands tallest in troubled times, a country
that clings to fundamental principles, cherishes its constitutional
heritage, and rejects simple solutions that compromise the values
that lie at the roots of our democratic system. -- Supreme Court
Justice Thurgood Marshall, 1972
Hi Dave,
Lurker-Daemon = false;
Only because you and I were both graduates of the same rocket class ...
David Erbas-White wrote:
GUILT ... THANKS for being MAN enough to say it. HPR for YEARS was put
down, dragged through the mud by NAR people. "red-neck" rocketry they
would call it at launches. I would grind my teeth and work very hard
from not slapping the little NAR nerd who would spout that crap ... I
wrote letters to NAR BoD in the late 1980s and 90s requesting that they
support High Powered rocketry, and all I would receive was BS about
safety with PROVEN BP A-D motors, and how anything above a G would
cause the end of NAR's acceptance into schools, churches, boy scouts
and the like.
NAR turned its back on High Powered Rocketry, so I turned my back on
NAR and have NEVER looked back!
TRA people are far far FAR more concerned about their public image than
NAR ... and has been the case from the very beginning. TRA folk
understood early on that we were taking the risks and getting and the
attention; pro or con. I have been to MANY TRA events, and ALL of them
have been ran with the utmost professionalism, where as NAR launches
get away with soooooooo much crap its scary most NAR sections are
allowed to even fly where they do. Point is that people are far more
willing to take risks, and do take risks with an A8-3 or some B4-4;
where a TRA person flying a K1500 WON'T. I have seen "play things"
flown at NAR events ... things that were obviously unsafe, but everyone
wanted to see the silly thing fly ... they wanted to CHAD stage a
C6-0/D12 cause it was cool ... rocket goes up a few feet, CHADS, then
goes horizontal ... wow that was fun ... "cool", the cheers come in. A
RESPONCIBLE TRA member would never be so careless or cavalier with a
high power motor and I have YET to see anyone at a TRA launch do so. A
TRA man or woman understands the responcibility they have taken upon
themselves ...
Dave, just have FUN, responcibly. Screw the damn magazine, just have
fun flying with TRA. You will find that we aren't into, 'I'm smarter
than you cause I was able to clone the Alpha decals just right ...', or
'I was able to use 1mm thick mylar compared to your inferior 2mm mylar
for parachute duration ...'. Just have fun, ad think BIG :) Yes, you
will find arrogance with TRA ... just bring a bigger rocket to the next
launch and get your RESPECT! ;=} LOL
Nope, glad to have you in the family.
Lurker-Daemon = True;
Nevermind, found it on the website -- but unfortunately it requires a
TRA number to subscribe, and says it will take 3-4 weeks for a new
member once that information is sent in. So I probably won't be able to
join it for some number of weeks yet.
David Erbas-White
David Erbas-White wrote:
TRA should follow its own rules in every detail or change them AFTER
they have FIRST followed them.
Past non-followings and/or punishments should be reversed/expunged
"with prejudice".
In short, forgive and improve.
I have NO faith that will happen BTW.
Jerry
--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to: snipped-for-privacy@gte.net>
(snip for brevity's sake)
Very nice explanation. I joined both groups right off the bat as I
wanted to support both of their efforts to fight the government. Also
I got addicted like crazy to launching again and have a nice range 2
minutes from my house I can do G or less launches from.
I wasn't aware of the "hot" politics that was going on. I hate to
give the appearance of blind appeal to authority but if Daves' serious
inquiries were addressed to his satisfaction, it makes me more
comfortable being in both groups. I have a "secret" desire to do
certifications in both groups just for fun and satisfaction.
If there are problems, not joining or leaving a group accomplishes
nothing. It takes persistence and perseverence to affect change.
One has to keep in mind though that any group is a "tyranny" of the
majority.
Kurt Savegnago
Surely you joined for some other reason. NAR and TRA are not the
NRA.. I doubt that the NAR and TRA combined would be on a top 100
list of groups fighting the government.
Alan
I agree that both groups combined would not be on the top
100 list, however...
If everyone that flys joined both groups, it would give the
appearance of a larger group. There may be only 5000 flyers total, but all
5000 in two organizations gives the appearance of 10000 flyers. The bigger
our numbers appear, the more power we might have to affect change. That's
why the NRA has so much power. Sheer numbers. Every one of those members
represents a vote in an election, and that gets the attention of the
politicians. If every member of the NAR and TRA joined both organizations,
and signed up three or four friends (straw-man memberships, or better yet,
sign up all your wives, kids, brothers, sisters, and friends) into both
organizations, that would increase the number of voters that the politicians
see in the combined group. It may not get the Patriot Act and the Explosives
Act shot down, but it might draw more attention from those (expletive)
politicians...
Just something to run up the flagpole...
James L. Marino
SAS, LUNAR,
TCC, AEROPAC,
NAR #75764 L3
TRA #9489 L3
(@ @)
----o00-(_)-00o----
Will Work for AP
If we are 5000 or 10000, we're still a political fly on the wall, to be
swatted when we annoy someone.
If we want the appearance of clout we need to change our name from the
National Assn. of Rocketry to the National Rocketry Assn., or the American
Assn of Rocket Propulsion.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf
www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/ www.nira-rocketry.org www.nar.org
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their minds occupied with thoughts and aspirations short of the
liberty of which they are deprived. A certain degree of attainable
good must be kept before them." Frederick Douglas, "My Bondage and
My Freedom," 1855
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