FAA HPR waivers questions

it appears the MSL, mean sea level is 804ft for the small field so would = I ask for a 3800 ft ASL ?

shockie B)

Nearest VOR tower, angle to site and range to site.

Just Jerry

FAA regional center.

They will give you a docuent that has to be "activated" and "deactivated" at will.

Jerry

Wickman's "How to Make Amateur Rockets" has an example of a correctly filled out waiver form and a photocopy of the map he used.

If you know anyone who has a copy...

Shock:

We were submitting waivers for every launch which got extremely monotonous and created a ton of paperwork for the FAA office. We approached them about getting a standing waiver. Their reply was that "it can be done, but will take some time." In the meantime, we kept contact with them over the month period, and took the time to go up and educate them on rocketry, the electronics used, site requirements etc.

Our waiver is listed as:

Operations Authorized:

Large Model Rocket Launch at XXXXXXXX

Area of Operations:

165 degree radial off of XXXXXXX VORTAC, XXX miles with a XXX radius from launch site. Surface to Altitude 15, 500' MSL.

900MDT to 1600MDT

June 1, 2003-May 31, 2004

Note: Launches to occur only once ot twice monthly with appropriate coordination in accordance with the special provisions.

Provisions meaning we contact the regional flight office not less than

24hrs, but not more than 48hrs prior to lauch. Also contact the control towers for the AFB and Regional Airport, and additionally contact the AFB flight tower 1 hour prior to launch.

They do this because Ellsworth AFB controls air space above 16,000' MSL around here. If we go above 16k feet, we have to coordinate it with Denver Flight Office, which they have to have information like 3 months before a launch, that's why we just kept it below the 16k limit.

Also, when submitting the request for standing waiver, we submitted a copy of our NAR Insurance form, along with a copy of the NAR Safety Code, and a copy of the Aeronautical map showing the launch location. They also keep a copy of the drivers liscense(s) of anyone able to call in the waiver.

The FAA here is great to work with, I'm sure yours will be the same. Just ask them what they need and you're on your way.

-Boomer

What I plan on doing is listing every weekend date(s) for the next year for both sites..... 3000 ft for the small site and maybe 10000ft for the large site.... from say 8AM to 5pm ....

Neither site is within 5 miles of any airport..... there is a small jetport within maybe 10 miles of the small site and maybe 15 miles of the big site...

SO I need to get the following up front in addition to filling out the FAA application:

1. a properly marked 7.5 series Topographic Quadrangle Map(s), published by the U.S. Geological Survey (scale 1:24,000), of the proposed operating area.

will the above provide the latitude and longtitude of the launch site ?

1. What FAR section(s) do I need to waiver?

1. How should I answer question 5 ?: Detailed description of proposed operation

2. Where do I send this FAA apllication and associated information?

Do I send it here:

Responsible for the state of kentucky

also click on this:

notice that it says: For a Rocket launch FAA Form 7711-2 must be submitted

10 days in advance...

OR do I send it here:

How does this effect a so called standing waiver that I propose? Will they provide me with either a fax or voice telephone number to invoke the waiver?

Anybody want to email a .doc or .pdf showing how you handled this?

Any help or information for a clueless newbie on getting these waivers would be greatly appreciated...

shockie B)

No reason to limit yourself by listing dates that you'll never know what the weather will be like. A standing waiver can be called in when you see a good weekend coming up.

-Boomer

What I plan on doing is listing every weekend date(s) for the next year for both sites..... 3000 ft for the small site and maybe 10000ft for the large site.... from say 8AM to 5pm ....

Neither site is within 5 miles of any airport..... there is a small jetport within maybe 10 miles of the small site and maybe 15 miles of the big site...

SO I need to get the following up front in addition to filling out the FAA application:

1. a properly marked 7.5 series Topographic Quadrangle Map(s), published by the U.S. Geological Survey (scale 1:24,000), of the proposed operating area.

will the above provide the latitude and longtitude of the launch site ?

1. What FAR section(s) do I need to waiver?

1. How should I answer question 5 ?: Detailed description of proposed operation

2. Where do I send this FAA apllication and associated information?

Do I send it here:

Responsible for the state of kentucky

also click on this:

notice that it says: For a Rocket launch FAA Form 7711-2 must be submitted

10 days in advance...

OR do I send it here:

How does this effect a so called standing waiver that I propose? Will they provide me with either a fax or voice telephone number to invoke the waiver?

Anybody want to email a .doc or .pdf showing how you handled this?

Any help or information for a clueless newbie on getting these waivers would be greatly appreciated...

shockie B)

So the "standing waiver", works just like "notification" does for LMR, except that it is also for HPR?

Alan

I've never actually needed this. I usually get a copy of the sectional chart for the area, and indicate my site on that. You can get sectional charts at your local airport. Or if you know a pilot, offer to dispose of his obsolete chart, as they are our of date every 6 months.

FAR 101.1 (3) (a) and (c); FAR 101.23 (b) and (c) (if necessary); FAR 101.25 (a), (b), (c), and (d).

{Invitational|Public} High Power Model Rocket Launch to be conducted under the {NAR|TRA} Safety code.

I now include the following to eliminate followup questions/hassles:

Note: None of these rockets are subject to the Commercial Space Launch Act of 1984. Models will not exceed 400 pounds, will have non metalic airframes, ballistic coefficients of less than 12 lbs/in2, and motors will not exceed

40960 NS.

Hmmm, that must be new. Used to be 30-45 days depending on where you looked. In reality, when they knew it was coming, I've had them turned around in less than a week, including round trip mail transit.

Yes. There are usually a list of conditions you must comply with. THey include calling several FAA offices before/after the launch, having a fire extinguisher, following the safety code, etc.

Refer to

The form itself can be found at It's a LOT easier than dealing with the BATF!

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Alan Jones wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Nope. And NAR/TRA affiliation isn't require, at least as far as I know. If it's listed on the application,they usually echo that on the waiver. I assume that if you don't mention "under governanace of NAR/TRA safety rules" on the application, you won't see it on the waiver.

That's never come up in my waiver requests.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

It's always referenced in ours. The limit is 15 seconds at non-TRA launches and 60 seconds at TRA launches. Nobody has ever showed up with motors exceeding 15 seconds total so it hasn't been an issue.