At LDRS, there was a minimal amount of younger flyers, say in the 18-25 age
group. Before we know it, we DOB's'll be towing out our BFR's behind our
What do you think we should/could/would do to attract some REAL new blood?
Most fathers at the local R/C club take their boys and girls with them from
time to time. They are mildly interested, but not for long as the hormones
Later, when they get about 28, they might take up the R/C flying they did
with their Dad years ago.
Or they might just take up another hobby. We do have one or two 28 something
's in our local club that were fly/watch alongs 15-20 years ago.
But we have lots of 29-37 year olds that never were exposed to hobbys at
But they were very interested when they got to the point of looking for a
hobby in their life.
The market research done by the hobby vendor trade association shows the
Target age for entry in R/C airplanes to be 28-44.
I feel that HPR needs to reach this market also, and make sure they take
their boys and girls to the flying field with them.
Hi-Power rockets should be trying to reach for the same market that R/C
airplanes shoots for.
The more members of the target audience for aero hobbies we can bring into
HPR rockets today, the more youngsters of those families can be brought
along in the next generation.
We can then teach the 30 something's while we are in our wheel chairs
watching them spend their money on that
U-Rode-Ium U238 modulated 150mm motor out at the away cell.
According to Hidalgo :
I think it would be useful to see if the NAR or TRA can finesse their rules
to permit younger HPR fliers without running afoul of US govt. paranoia.
And I think they can do it.
Canada introduced "junior high power" certification a few years back, where
kids 14+ could cert CAR L1/2 (up to I) and 16+ CAR L3 (J-K). They do _exactly_
the same test as the adults. The only restriction is that the motor itself
must be handled (ie: assembled/installed) by an adult HPR cert holder of same
level or higher, and obviously can't buy the motors either.
This is of particular interest to me because our son passed his CAR L1 written
test (doing better than most adults) at age 12 and his CAR L1 cert flight at
age 13 (we held off submitting the papers until he was 14) and his CAR L2
cert at 14. His scratch rocket building&design expertise has just blown
past mine (and I'm CAR L3).
His certification card is of great incentive in school. He's even attended
an advanced science course at the University run by the aerospace engineering
department. His math and science marks are great. He has a practical
application for it!
Yet, under the TRA rules that will be in effect, he won't be able to fly HPR
at LDRS24 in his _own_ country!
Under TRA rules, a teen and an adult can both appear on a flight card.
It seems to me that a simple declaration from the adult saying that
the teen did all of the work except for handling the motor should suffice
both for certification for HPR of the teen, and keep ATF et. al. happy.
I talked to a TRA BOD member about having the TRA rules say "subject to
age restrictions for the jurisdiction flown", but he doesn't see that
Greg's restriction at LDRS24 may have little real impact (I'll just cosign
everything), but it's a considerable disincentive. He plans to be CAR L3
by then, but if not, we'll have to see if CAR will accept an L3 flight
using a TRA flight card cosigned by CAR cert holder observers.
I think part of the problem is that NFPA restricts high power to 18 &
older. Many of the kids that were interested in rocketry when they
were younger have lost interest because of this and by the time
they're 18, the hormones have taken over.
Well, have the two 'governing bodies' get their heads out in the fresh
air and allow them to cert. Give the kids a goal. Try to stay in line
with what is really happening in the real world.
MAKE IT OFFICIAL!! Make it 'look' like you're trying to attract kids.
Make it appear you are a little bit forward looking. Or continue to
have them build in secret. If it's THEIR build it should be THEIR name
on the flight card, not grandpa who's lending his name so the kid can
fly. Or sit there do nothing and watch little change in the number of
junior flyers and they can keep their heads resting where they've been
for quite some time.
I know there's a lot of interest in getting younger blood into HPR here,
but even BP stuff generates interest. I know many teenagers and younger
kids (even some adults) who would fly, if they could.
The FAA in my area has restricted even modroc flying. Yes, modrocs. Yes,
even with the FAR 101.1 "exemption". For terrorist reasons. Of course,
this aids the aim of the terrorists, but that fact is lost on the
Younger people want immediate gratification. They are not apt to wait
for once or twice a month launches at distant section sites. There are
simply too many other interests which they can pursue without having to
Its sad and frustrating.
East Denver (Aurora). Although I think there's a signpost up ahead that
says "Twilight Zone".
Justification? FAR 101.1 itself:
101.1(3)(ii)(d) Operated in a manner that does not create a hazard to
persons, property, or other aircraft.
FAA: "ANY rocket launch will pose a harzard to aircraft as the
pilots/passengers may perceive it to be an attack. There are great
concerns in the aviation community over MANPADS. A visible smoke trail
may prompt a pilot to make sudden maneuvers or perform "go arounds".
The location is over seven miles from DIA, three miles from an AFB.
The FAA will not rescind a 500' AGL restriction which is a primary
reason the City does not allow model rocket flights at the site in
question. Or anywhere else on City lands in Aurora, except for School
District activities. (Don't ask. As an educator, I don't want to open
that can of worms with the City as I can, at least, do one time permit
i thought it was wrong to be told that my son, who is part of my team, and
works on every project with me, wasnt allowed to be near the pad when i was
loading my rocket. I have scoured the rules and there is NOTHING that says he
couldnt be there with me, even back at the safe distance where the launch took
place...just a little FYI...but he still had the time of his life and is still
talking about it.
Ah, what is done in the name of insurance......I agree with you....he
should have been allowed to help prep and load, then could have gone to
a safe spot for the big show.....then there was that bowling ball thing,
I really don't care if I don't see another one despite the fact it takes
building and materials to the limit.