How do we attract new flyers?

Patrick H. replied:

I agree, that's a good reason. I don't think everyone who puts their cert number in their sig is doing it just to brag.

Yes, that's true. However, even under the current rules certs are only permits, and they only require a minimal accomplishment to obtain them.

That's the American way. And it's far easier to accept it than fight it :)

Doug

They do in any state that has adopted the NFPA codes. However, even as "internal club rules" certs are still merely a form of permit, not an achievement award.

Several reasons... First off, the folks with the merit badge mentality are the ones who are always trying convince the rest of us that we need harder certs and more cert levels -- certs for staging, certs for clustering, certs for using electronics, etc etc ad nauseum. It's sickening, and counterproductive.

Secondly, unless these folks learn to find fullfillment in their actual achievements, rather than looking for continual "awards", they will drop out of the hobby once they've reached the top cert level and feel they've "done everything". I've seen lots of folks who have dropped out after Level 3, saying they've done it all, when in reality there are a great many challenging aspects of the hobby that they never even attempted simply because it wouldn't get them an ego-stroking merit badge.

Third, I think the people who demand "merit badges" are actually the source of the problem that they complain about. To whit: They say if you don't have a cert you can't get any respect for your accomplishments. Well why aren't they GIVING people respect for their accomplishments, instead of focusing on some arbitrarily defined permit that can be obtained with only the MINIMUM level of accomplishment?

That was before my BARdom. Gotta play by the current rules, or fly non-club.

Some of us, although we may hate it, recognize we are social animals. I like flying with a lot of people. I like to build rockets alone. Go figger, cause I can't.

Patrick - darn, they HAD to put extreme South Park on the weekend I was going to update the club website

Then why does TRA have an L2 requirement for all those who wish to fill its ADMINISTRATIVE / LEADERSHIP positions?

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

No. We want access to be as restricted as possible to funnel tithe to Orem and to make sure only blessed ones can use the "gold of the gods".

We want to require rules and permits WELL beyond the law to that effect.

And also a labrynth of good old boys to further vett "undesireables".

Motors are sacred. Get with the program!

Jerry

TRA 012

Did that have the one with Red Rocket on it?

lies

Someones gota do it

Removed by BOD vote.

Do you ever get tired of expounding half truth and lies, in the form of sour grapes??

fred

I believe it's a requirement for things like "prefect" and "RSO".

-dave w

Yup. Because Prefects handle certs up to L2, it's no different NAR requiring a L2 flier to sign off on a L2 cert.

The Safety Code just requires that the RSO be a certified flier. For EX launches, the RSO must be L2, but you have to be L2 to fly at EX launches.

-Kevin

The original message was about BOD. Dave did a Jerry on it.

I should say my intrepretaion of the original message was that it applied to the BOD. After all they are one of Bob's favorite targets.

Like I said Dave did a Jerry on it.

So you are saying the truth is slowly coming out despite folks like you?

Jerry

That would be the folks who want to treat certs as merit badges.

And board members.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Nope. That would be the folks who AUTHORED that certs are legally required in some states for HPR motor access and despite the LAW and a COURT ORDER (they promulgated!) still illegally and inadvisedly demand ATF permits.

You know your buddies you stupid moron.

You are who you hang out with Ray.

Jerry

Nope. BoD members must be "senior members", which means that they're at least 21 years old. No certification level required.

-Kevin

No, He said, "The original message was about BOD. Dave did a Jerry on it."

jerry, you and the truth, have nothing in common.