In the Press again

an ATF permit.

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We can take Jack at his word, as he has no history of distorting the facts, only an unblemished record of selfless service to NAR and the rocketry community. Can you say the same??

Fred

So you would take the word of a man who would state the opposite of his own written policy?

Hmmm.

I see.

Thanks for confirming that.

Jerry

Your welcome...

Fred

Does that mean the game is over?

:-)

John

It is no longer on the NAR website.

Post the motor cert guidelines and I will.

Jerry

Jerry Irv> >

Since I seem to have your attention and I will not be posting correspondence to or from S&T despitey our "offer", and since the motor cert guidelines are NOT online, let's just cut to the chase.

Does NAR require proof of an ATF permit of any kind or not?

Does NAR (per NAFTA) recognize any competent authority approval and NOT just DOT?

Let's start there.

Thank you.

Jerry

NSL just wrapped up. The officials at the launch did not require permits. They can't. Drop the show me yours and I'll show you mine crap fat boy. You are over. Everybody just ignore Skippy. He has lied to the community for over a decade. If nobody here responded to him he would have absolutely nothing to look forward to every day. Stop now. He will always state the same over and over. He thrives on the same folks arguing the same points over and over. He will never get back in the door. He is forever an outsider. I hear you knockin but you can't come in.

Does DOT?

Right here on the TRA website:

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Basic Policies Extract The following was extracted from the TMT Policies Introduction and gives the reader the basic guidelines regarding TMT Policy, submission and testing. [...]

2-2.2 [...] The applicant must also provide TMT with a copy of a BATF Low Explosive Manufacturer's license prior to acceptance of motors for testing. This requirement is by Tripoli Board motion and vote on 23 January 1994.

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-dave w

I've been at exactly one event where they wanted to check permits. I refused to comply. It wasn't the CDs idea either, but as he said, he didn't want to get Tripped up.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

I hear you knockin..... Don't bother trying to get compliant. There are too many motors out there now.

How many dealers will play your don't ask don't tell game anyway?

None are being asked to.

Jerry

What "offer" Jerry?

You clam we demand them, prove it.

There is no reason to talk about DOT permits as that was not part of the original subject and should be part of a different discussion.

No Jerry. Lets go back to the beginning where you stated on May 28, "Reminding you NAR and TRA improperly demand ATF permits is NOT demonization. It is information" You made that statement as "information" that NAR demands ATF permits. So whatever paper work you used to obtain this information you should post to prove your statement. In the past you have said that NAR S&T has asked you for ATF permits and I have stated that we have not. So you should post the email or letter that proves we asked you for ATF permits. This is the subject we are on.

Jack Kane NAR S&T

This "runaround" is why there are no certified USR motors.

You might find it to be a form of entertainment. I call it restraint of trade.

Feel free to email me direct should you want to proceed in a positive direction.

Jerry