It's official. Bruce Kelly sells U.S. Rockets motors at Balls 2005

2) TRA regulates what motors people can FLY at a launch, not what motors people SELL.

If that's true, why can't Frank and Jerry SELL their motors at a TRA launch?

Mario

TRA regulates what motors can be sold by virtue of the fact that they 1 of 2 certfying entities that certify hpr motors for sale and use in the usa...You would think that Bruce Kelly would know this as he is the TRA NFPA primary representative.

ask me if i care.. NO.

shockie B)

Simple. Check your OWN direct sources and get back to us.

And when the answer presents itslef, please be so kind as to save me the bandwidth, and just openly say "Jerry DID tell us so."

Then everyone else please join in the chorus.

Jerry

Who says they can't?

Bearing in mind, most people like to fly what they buy.

jerry, Explain to Us all why you think it' ok for you to sell uncertified us rocket motors, but yet, you think that it is wrong for Bruce Kelly to sell uncertified us rocket motors, from His private collection?

POINT.

Maybe he thinks he has some sort of "executive exemption" like the folks at Tyco and Enron did.

Ah, the obvious question from a rational soul.

And to think he has not learned yet about "Kellyball".

Jerry

Frank(not zappa) tell you this?

Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75

Looking for a list?

It is long.

Well, he could have gotten them from someone else. However, even it they were the motors you submitted, since you shipped them illegally and failed to meet the other requirements for certification, the loss of the motors is your own fault.

So what? TRA has no restrictions on what people fly at sanctioned launches, not what they sell.

You and Frank both could sell motors at a TRA launch (unless the launch organizers prohibit it for some reason), but the buyers could not fly them at a sanctioned launch.

Wrong. They certify motors for sale as "high power rocket motors". They do not regulate the sale of motors nor do they regulate or certify motors that do not fall into that category (industrial, pyrotechnic, etc).

Anyone can sell any motor, legally or illegally, and TRA has no power or authority to stop them. They do restrict what motors can be flown at sanctioned launches.

Jerry would probably be thrown out of most TRA launches if he showed up, but that's the perogative of the local launch organizers. As for Frank, how many motors would he sell if people can't fly them at the launch?

As someone else pointed out, most people want to fly what they buy, at the launch they are attending.

Yes, but he was selling them from a box labeled "Model Airplane Parts".

POINT!!!!

jerry, That's not an answer to My question.

I guess BK doesn't believe his own hype: an obvious case where self-regulation didn't work....

oh well

Three Pointer! Half court shot!

It is my fault TRA TMT never, ever contacted me to "pick them up at my own risk and expense"?

It is my fault they end up in the separate, private, posession of someone with the clearest conflict of interest imaginable?

How did you say he got them again?

And how do you claim it is okay for him to SELL them?

At a TRA launch?

Hmmm?

Jerry

Curious.

Ray, the only reason I stop at RMR from time to time is to see if Jerry has gone off the deep end. He is getting real close.

Or he posts while dr> Jerry Irv> > It's official. Bruce Kelly sells U.S. Rockets motors at Balls 2005. > >