Not being a TRA member, I thought that Balls was for "experimental"
motors, either home made, or non-certified; of which Jerry's are
Non the question is where did Bruce get them (does he have a bill of
Actually, TRA EX really means homebrew or a mix with certified. It clearly
restricts non certified motors where the non-certified motors were not made
by someone on the flight team. So, for example. Frank could have one of his
motors in a bird flown at an EX launch if he was a TRA L2 or above and was
part of the project team.
Now, while I think BK may have done kind of a weird thing by selling USR
motors at a TRA endorsed launch, it's in many ways no different than if BK
set up a grill and sold burgers and dogs...
The problem isn't that the motors were sold at the launch, but it is a
problem if the motors were actually flown at the launch. And that's not
BK's problem, unless he was the RSO for the flights.
(Note: I'm keeping all ATFE details out of this discussion)
Yea, but you would think, all the bitching and moaning done by Bruce
concerning JI, while he was in the chair at Tripoli, would of caused
Bruce to refrain from selling JI motors at a TRA function. Maybe
integrity is not an issue for Bruce. Remember, perception is reality for
those who believe.
Ya, I know... I was a Prefect at the time of the springfest when Frank was
told by BK about the TRA rules and banning his stuff. I was within 10' of
frank, as BK wanted all the prefects there.
But we all know that BK isn't the brightest bulb on the string - look at
what he did with HPR - it's now defunct! But in reality, BK selling USR
motors in this case is no different than if Troj sold USR motors to Azwoody
at a launch in ne. The real issue is if they were flown at a TRA launch.
THat's one issue. The other would be how Bruce got the motors. THey may
have been legit. THey may be some of the USR motors that were submitted for
testing by Jerry that 'vanished', in which case they weren't Bruce's to
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If Kosdon was restricted at TRA launches, it's probably because he is
an unlicensed manufacturer. It seems to me that TRA has a right to
place restrictions on unlicensed manufacturers at their launches, even
if they do not restrict individuals selling old stock from personal
I hope that TRA never attempts to place restrictions on individuals
selling old motors just to placate two unlicensed manufacturers who
refuse to conform with the cert requirements.
TRA EX is for home made or team made motors, if a professional motor house
makes them, they must be part of a team and making motors that are not
offered for commercial sale.
Commercial motors that are certified or not certified have been prohibited
back in the old, old days they were allowed.
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